What the health documentary?

[Sss23]

Anybody have any thoughts on this film?

 

[Chub]

Vegan propaganda. 1 egg as bad as smoking 5 cigarettes? Absolute bull.

 

[Swindler]

I may have to take up smoking

 

[Chub]

Better watch out for that casein too. Just as addictive as heroin haha

 

[Studdscruggs]

All I can say is when I switched majority of my diet to plant based I feel amazing and making the best gains.

 

[BloodManor]

All I can say is when I switched majority of my diet to plant based I feel amazing and making the best gains.

How good where you at counting macros and micros prior?

 

[Eight]

Vegan propaganda.

I enjoyed the doc, agreed with some of it, learned a few things (verified afterwards, of course)... but this comment is bang on. It's a propaganda piece.

 

[compan]

Switched it off half way through. I just had a hard time believing a lot of what they were saying. Meat being a much bigger factor in diabetes than sugar being one.

 

[Hockeyaus33]

All I can say is when I switched majority of my diet to plant based I feel amazing and making the best gains.

I will second this. Switched to plant based and I feel a lot better

 

[Studdscruggs]

How good where you at counting macros and micros prior?

Pretty good. I have been counting macros since I was 16. Been a long time since I started. I use to be big on dairy and meat. Ever since I switched eating styles and of course same count of calories/macros my joints have been better than ever, no digestion issues, bloat has dropped a lot, my skin is clear, no more hemroids, and my pumps seem to have improved maybe due to more blood flow in my arteries lmao.

 

[Studdscruggs]

I will second this. Switched to plant based and I feel a lot better

Awesome brother Best decision I've made.

 

[Sdog77]

Butcherbox

 

[Hockeyaus33]

My main reason for switching to plant based diet is because quite simply, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It's a myth that you can't get enough protein. I also don't eat for pleasure so I do not miss meat at all(I only ate it for the protein anyway). Plants are loaded with all types of good nutrients. Meat doesn't really bring anything to the table except protein and vitamin b12 and you can just supplement vitamin b12

 

[Hockeyaus33]

The #1 biggest downfall of veganism is the inability to utilize keto on a cut. It is impossible to hit your protein macros without taking in carbs while vegan (outside of getting all protein from shakes)

 

[Studdscruggs]

The #1 biggest downfall of veganism is the inability to utilize keto on a cut. It is impossible to hit your protein macros without taking in carbs while vegan (outside of getting all protein from shakes)

Being vegan and trying to keto is literally impossible unless every meal is a shake. I tried and looked into keto and there was virtually no way to do it together.

 

[macwad]

Lane Norton has a vídeo about it on YouTube. Highly recommend it

 

[Hockeyaus33]

Being vegan and trying to keto is literally impossible unless every meal is a shake. I tried and looked into keto and there was virtually no way to do it together.

The beauty of it though is that with all the fiber you take in, it's actually quite hard to gain fat or even reach a caloric surplus high enough to gain a significant amount of body fat while on a vegan diet. Most vegan bulks are lean bulks by nature unless you really go hard on the peanut butter. In addition, most vegan carbs are very low on the glycemic index apart from fruit.

 

[Nac]

My main reason for switching to plant based diet is because quite simply, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It's a myth that you can't get enough protein. I also don't eat for pleasure so I do not miss meat at all(I only ate it for the protein anyway). Plants are loaded with all types of good nutrients. Meat doesn't really bring anything to the table except protein and vitamin b12 and you can just supplement vitamin b12

Being vegan and trying to keto is literally impossible unless every meal is a shake. I tried and looked into keto and there was virtually no way to do it together.

Whats your weekly food bill compared to when you ate traditional?

 

[kdubson14]

Plant life: $15/week average
Omni life: $60/week average cuz I only bought local

Beans @ $1-1.50 per pound
Chicken @ $8; Fish @ $14-20; Beef @ $16-25 cuz I only bought local grass fed/free-range meat

I also have a nice little garden now


Did drop from elite to master USAPL raw classification because I'm unfortunately in between weight classes now

 

[Hockeyaus33]

Pretty sure vegan has been cheaper because beans are dirt cheap and fruit is not as pricey as people make them out to be. Quality meat on the other hand is ridiculously expensive

 

[Nac]

Whats a good non mainstream online resource that has some of the science on this? Not youtoob.

 

[JPARKS42]

I'm just appreciating how neutral and civil this topic has stayed. Seems impossible to hear this topic/conversation without people getting all worked up. Well played gentlemen

 

[Hockeyaus33]

I'm just appreciating how neutral and civil this topic has stayed. Seems impossible to hear this topic/conversation without people getting all worked up. Well played gentlemen

People hold meat very close to their hearts

pun intended

 

[kdubson14]

Whats a good non mainstream online resource that has some of the science on this? Not youtoob.

There isn't a nutrition / health advantage to a vegan diet. It does drastically reduce your contribution to global warming, deforestation, and environmental damage in general. And it drastically reduces the number of animal deaths resulting from your existence. That's pretty much it.

 

[Nac]

There isn't a nutrition / health advantage to a vegan diet.

Hmmm, thats what I had assumed (and I did want to be wrong). I couldnt find much info on this aspect as I could on say the health benefits of keto.

 

[kdubson14]

Hmmm, thats what I had assumed (and I did want to be wrong). I couldnt find much info on this aspect as I could on say the health benefits of keto.

To oversimplify, any benefits gained from a vegan diet can be had in an omnivorous diet while benefits from non-vegan foods cannot be had in a vegan diet.

All the publications focusing on the health argument e.g. Forks Over Knives, The China Study by TC Campbell; NutritionFacts.org and What The Health by Greger et al are, in my opinion, detrimental to veganism because they spread misinformation and are extremely easy targets with numerous weaknesses and, at times, completely incorrect interpretations of or misrepresented data.

Of course the intended audience of these publications are laymen so the same misinformation is parroted and spread again and again.

 

[Hockeyaus33]

Hmmm, thats what I had assumed (and I did want to be wrong). I couldnt find much info on this aspect as I could on say the health benefits of keto.

Most health benefits from it are anecdotal and people could probably still achieve the benefits from other diets. But I will have to say that, if done properly, it can force you to eat very healthy foods, if that's the kind of thing someone needs to keep themselves on track

 

[Sss23]

There isn't a nutrition / health advantage to a vegan diet. It does drastically reduce your contribution to global warming, deforestation, and environmental damage in general. And it drastically reduces the number of animal deaths resulting from your existence. That's pretty much it.

This seems exaggerated that there is no nutritional/health advantage.. anything supporting a pretty bold claim? (I'm not on either side)

 

[Hockeyaus33]

This seems exaggerated that there is no nutritional/health advantage.. anything supporting a pretty bold claim? (I'm not on either side)

There are plenty of health benefits to being vegan but none of which you can't achieve doing other diets. For instance, a vegan diet would definitely reduce heart diease and diabetes if done properly, but so could other propery executed diets that do have animal products.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Vegan propaganda. Vegan's are dogmatic cultists IMO. Even "Ethical" ones are suspect - millions of animals other than the usual cows/chickens, etc... - are killed by agricultural operations. Birds, Insects, Reptiles, Rodents, Small Animals, etc...

 

[kdubson14]

Even "Ethical" ones are suspect - millions of animals other than the usual cows/chickens, etc... - are killed by agricultural operations. Birds, Insects, Reptiles, Rodents, Small Animals, etc...

Right. Millions of animals do die from agricultural operations and those losses are magnified by meat consumption due to the energy loss from feed -> meat product.


The goal of veganism is to reduce animal suffering in a meaningful way by refraining from the consumption of animal products(non-food items included). I believe it is widely recognized that one cannot exist in modern society without directly or indirectly causing animal suffering.


If the discussion turns to absolutely minimizing animal suffering then I would argue living a hunting and gathering lifestyle and complete non-participation in society would yield the lowest amount of animal suffering.

A possible counterpoint is by participating in society and directly or indirectly influencing the food choices of others to trend towards less animal products yields a net reduction in animal suffering greater than a single person can achieve on their own.

 

[jswain34]

I have not watched the film, but I did however watch Layne Norton's short rebuttal video to it on his Instagram. Did the video really try to say that they cured cancer in a petri dish by adding a vegan's blood to it? I found it hard to believe that the film would make such an absolutely ludicrous claim, but if it did, that really destroyed all of it's (and all of the scientists who made it) credibility imo.

Once again, not saying the movie did say this, just that I had heard it did. To anyone who watched it, did they really say this?

 

[kdubson14]

The figureheads of the vegan health argument are collectively off their rockers.

Their lead claims that casein is the "most relevant carcinogen ever identified" and it flips on the genetic cancer switch.

Just google Campbell casein carcinogen.

Helping veganism? Nah. Lying to people for personal gain? You bet.


Edit:

is it possible there is some casein specific epigenetic component to many cancers? Maybe.

Did Campbell, in any way shape or form, perform any work that indicated such? No. All he did was demonstrate that aflatoxin 1b induced hepatic lesions, like any tissue, grow more robustly with 20% casein protein vs 20% wheat protein diet.

 

[Hockeyaus33]

I think "In defense of food" is a way better documentary. You guys should watch it. It doesn't demonize meat, but rather makes the claim that a plant centered diet is way healthier, but also that meat has its place and is okay to eat in moderation. It looks at the psychological games the food industry plays on society to make profit.

 

[Godstrength]

Right. Millions of animals do die from agricultural operations and those losses are magnified by meat consumption due to the energy loss from feed -> meat product.


The goal of veganism is to reduce animal suffering in a meaningful way by refraining from the consumption of animal products(non-food items included). I believe it is widely recognized that one cannot exist in modern society without directly or indirectly causing animal suffering.


If the discussion turns to absolutely minimizing animal suffering then I would argue living a hunting and gathering lifestyle and complete non-participation in society would yield the lowest amount of animal suffering.

A possible counterpoint is by participating in society and directly or indirectly influencing the food choices of others to trend towards less animal products yields a net reduction in animal suffering greater than a single person can achieve on their own.

Maybe I'm just a savage, but I'm not that concerned about animals suffering

 

[Godstrength]

I think "In defense of food" is a way better documentary. You guys should watch it. It doesn't demonize meat, but rather makes the claim that a plant centered diet is way healthier, but also that meat has its place and is okay to eat in moderation. It looks at the psychological games the food industry plays on society to make profit.

I agree with you here... I think this one paints a more accurate picture. The food industry, now they're savages for real lol. Really food processing is the worst thing for you and the government knows processed foods contain carcinogens but its a huge way to make sure the money keeps flowing. Produce it as cheap as possible with a long shelf life, they don't care about your health lol

 

[Hockeyaus33]

I agree with you here... I think this one paints a more accurate picture. The food industry, now they're savages for real lol. Really food processing is the worst thing for you and the government knows processed foods contain carcinogens but its a huge way to make sure the money keeps flowing. Produce it as cheap as possible with a long shelf life, they don't care about your health lol

I think the guy in that one is easier to listen to than the guy in "what the health"

 

[The_Old_Guy]

I think "In defense of food" is a way better documentary. You guys should watch it. It doesn't demonize meat, but rather makes the claim that a plant centered diet is way healthier, but also that meat has its place and is okay to eat in moderation. It looks at the psychological games the food industry plays on society to make profit.

Sounds like that one would be watchable - it coincides with societal studies on the healthiest populations: More non-meat than meat, but meat is in there I don't know why some people just can't accept the term 'Omnivore'?

Various mammals are omnivorous in the wild, such as species of pigs, badgers, bears, coatis, civets, hedgehogs, opossums, skunks, sloths, squirrels, raccoons, chipmunks, mice, and rats. Hominidae, including humans and chimpanzees, are also omnivores.

 

[Hockeyaus33]

Sounds like that one would be watchable - it coincides with societal studies on the healthiest populations: More non-meat than meat, but meat is in there I don't know why some people just can't accept the term 'Omnivore'?

I agree man.

In the video they followed the last group of humans that eat absolutely zero processed foods. Some tribe in Africa(i think) that still uses hunter/gatherer structure. They have no heart disease, diabetes, and very little cancer. They eat a mainly plant based diet but still eat meat on a weekly basis when they are able to catch something. It was very interesting to watch

 

[DeloresHardin]

It might be ridiculous since it is an old thread, but I see a lot of advantages of a vegan diet: it promotes weight loss and reduce your risk of heart disease by lowering cholesterol levels, and so on. Additionally, it saves the animal, the environment, and our house, doesn't it? Find more info in free essays about analyzing the exhaustion of landfill capacities in the United States. I think it is because of trash thrown by the community and abusive agriculture. Therefore, a vegan life would reduce the necessities.

 

[DeloresHardin]

There isn't a nutrition / health advantage to a vegan diet. It does drastically reduce your contribution to global warming, deforestation, and environmental damage in general. And it drastically reduces the number of animal deaths resulting from your existence. That's pretty much it.

agree with this one

 

[CasperKValentine]

agree with this one

What a load of crap. I raise chickens, fish and harvest my own wild game. Please tell me how I contribution to global warming, deforestation, and environmental damage?

 

[DeloresHardin]

I didn't say about your case