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  1. Xgels + PA + epicathetin


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Adizzle1 View Post
    Have you tired MassMax XT Yet?
    That's next in line during sept/oct
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by mrhankey87 View Post
    In my case, X-Gels was WAY more powerful than FD2, but ymmv.
    Ya, I am 49. Started using ARA many years ago and each time I would use it, I would get a little more inflammation to the point where I could no longer use them. imo, they cause permanent damage - in that - your system's reaction and ability to fight inflammation brought on by the stress of training is reduced. I would stay away from them. ANything that cause inflammation other than training should be avoided imo. And FD2 is an anti inflammatory. I agree that ARA works great, but get ready for the cost to be paid later.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    Ya, I am 49. Started using ARA many years ago and each time I would use it, I would get a little more inflammation to the point where I could no longer use them. imo, they cause permanent damage - in that - your system's reaction and ability to fight inflammation brought on by the stress of training is reduced. I would stay away from them. ANything that cause inflammation other than training should be avoided imo. And FD2 is an anti inflammatory. I agree that ARA works great, but get ready for the cost to be paid later.
    There have been real world studies on ArA and no prolonged negative affects from the inflammation has been shown. Sorry to hear that you had prolonged negative effects though, that sucks.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    There have been real world studies on ArA and no prolonged negative affects from the inflammation has been shown. Sorry to hear that you had prolonged negative effects though, that sucks.
    Do those studies include prolonged use since MN had it in Beta? And under real lifting conditions? Doubt it Bud - stop blowing smoke up my ass...
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  6. This is currently my favorite set up. Works for lean bulk, recomp or dirty bulk.

    Weeks 1-4
    Forskolin

    Weeks 5-8
    AlphaMax XT + ArA + MassMax XT

    Weeks 9-12
    AlphaMax XT + ArA + MassMax XT
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    Do those studies include prolonged use since MN had it in Beta? And under real lifting conditions? Doubt it Bud - stop blowing smoke up my ass...
    Actually yeah, the studies were done specifically done on lifters. Why would I reference a study not based on lifting lol.

    Here is one just from a quick google search: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0155153

    A google search will actually bring a few studies done on male lifters.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    This is currently my favorite set up. Works for lean bulk, recomp or dirty bulk.

    Weeks 1-4
    Forskolin

    Weeks 5-8
    AlphaMax XT + ArA + MassMax XT

    Weeks 9-12
    AlphaMax XT + ArA + MassMax XT
    Dope stack.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    Ya, I am 49. Started using ARA many years ago and each time I would use it, I would get a little more inflammation to the point where I could no longer use them. imo, they cause permanent damage - in that - your system's reaction and ability to fight inflammation brought on by the stress of training is reduced. I would stay away from them. ANything that cause inflammation other than training should be avoided imo. And FD2 is an anti inflammatory. I agree that ARA works great, but get ready for the cost to be paid later.
    No, no it doesn't.

    It literally works through the same pathway as what the response to working out does.

    Does prolonged training impair the inflammatory system? Research says nope
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    Do those studies include prolonged use since MN had it in Beta? And under real lifting conditions? Doubt it Bud - stop blowing smoke up my ass...
    Yes, they actually do. The studies mimic the use we recommend. 50 days on showing no ill effect.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    Actually yeah, the studies were done specifically done on lifters. Why would I reference a study not based on lifting lol.

    Here is one just from a quick google search: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0155153

    A google search will actually bring a few studies done on male lifters.
    Link to page not found - please provide link to the male study so we are on the same page. ty

  12. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    Link to page not found - please provide link to the male study so we are on the same page. ty
    I don't know if this is the same study, but it's a study:
    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0155153
    Thirty strength-trained males (age: 20.4 2.1 yrs) were randomly divided into two groups: ARA or placebo (i.e. CTL). Then, both groups underwent an 8-week, 3-day per week, non-periodized training protocol. Quadriceps muscle thickness, whole-body composition scan (DEXA), muscle strength, and power were assessed at baseline and post-test. In the rodent model, male Wistar rats (~250 g, ~8 weeks old) were pre-fed with either ARA or water (CTL) for 8 days and were fed the final dose of ARA prior to being acutely strength trained via electrical stimulation on unilateral plantar flexions. A mixed muscle sample was removed from the exercised and non-exercised leg 3 hours post-exercise.
    Our findings suggest that ARA supplementation can positively augment strength-training induced adaptations in resistance-trained males. However, chronic studies at the molecular level are required to further elucidate how ARA combined with strength training affect muscle adaptation.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Yes, they actually do. The studies mimic the use we recommend. 50 days on showing no ill effect.
    I have been interested in giving ArA a try but my concern is that it might be overkill inflammation. I have always had issues with soreness and joint pain even when I was back in high school. Nothing major and with diet/supplements I have managed fine, and even though I training regularly still get delayed soreness. In addition I cannot image training with out omega-3 so on the fence.

    So to summarize for individuals that have no issue getting inflammation is ArA worth taking?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by john.patterson View Post
    Definitely a possibility - stacking these two together has always given me joint issues.

    Depending on your goals, here's a few of my go-to products:

    Bulking or lean bulking - ArA, Tr1umph, Massmax XT, X-Gels, Alphamax XT (obviously not all of these at once, but any 1-2 of these products would be solid)
    Cutting or recomp - Alphamax XT, EC stack, Inhibit-e, Reduce XT, Oxymax XT

    It really depends on your goals and what you've used in the past. I wouldn't recommend stacking more than 2 products that you've never used before. You won't be able to tell what products are giving what benefit. I would also focus on keeping it simple and relying on training and diet to dictate the majority of your progress
    I used to use inhibit-e or arimacare pro (which contains abieta and arimistane) to help me cut but was told that using suicide ais leads to estrogen rebounds. Would you say that that advice was wrong or should I dose below the rda?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    I used to use inhibit-e or arimacare pro (which contains abieta and arimistane) to help me cut but was told that using suicide ais leads to estrogen rebounds. Would you say that that advice was wrong or should I dose below the rda?
    Suicide inhibitor's do not lead to rebound. That is definitely wrong.
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  16. Thanks for the infor everyone. Sorry for the long delay. My goals were to bulk up and try to stay lean. I am starting to see some results from the annabeta elite but I am not sure how well I respond to it.

    I stopped taking the erase pro+ as it seemed like a waste for this bulk. Currently sitting at 200.5lbs body weight but I feel I have lost a pound or two of fat. More definition in abs. I just need to eat more food.. currently slamming down as much food as I can. I have resorted to things such as eating pizza, six pb&j sandwiches ontop of what I was eating a day, extra protein shake, snacks through day...

    So maybe the annabeta elite is doing it's job if I am not gaining fat while eating like this. I have EXTREME vascularity in my arms, and even can see some veins in chest under skin. (Note I stopped the Erase Pro+) Also increased erections, which I can somewhat attribute to the annabeta elite. Sometimes getting an erection at bad timings.

    Thanks for the info on the diet plan as well. This is the first time I have eaten very high carb though and I am responding to it well. I will post an update here in a little bit as well. Someone just told me I should try to do this physique show coming up and I am not sure if I want to start trully cutting for it... given I am just now starting to gain some weight and my heart is more in gaining than cutting at the moment. Show is 12 weeks away.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    This is currently my favorite set up. Works for lean bulk, recomp or dirty bulk.

    Weeks 1-4
    Forskolin

    Weeks 5-8
    AlphaMax XT + ArA + MassMax XT

    Weeks 9-12
    AlphaMax XT + ArA + MassMax XT
    Curious here. What's the purpose of starting out with the Forskolin?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by ion26 View Post
    Curious here. What's the purpose of starting out with the Forskolin?
    To get used to it. Some people need to taper into a 50+ mg dose because of GI issues.
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  19. Great recommendations so far. Don't forget about creatine. SNS makes creatine monohydrate which is good for size and strength if you don't mind the water retention. Creatine HCL is great as well and I have used it with great results.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    Link to page not found - please provide link to the male study so we are on the same page. ty
    @warbird01 Got that link to that study??

  21. Quote Originally Posted by ion26 View Post
    Curious here. What's the purpose of starting out with the Forskolin?
    One would be to get used to it...the other (my reason) would be to be using forskolin for 12 weeks continuously.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    Ya, I am 49. Started using ARA many years ago and each time I would use it, I would get a little more inflammation to the point where I could no longer use them. imo, they cause permanent damage - in that - your system's reaction and ability to fight inflammation brought on by the stress of training is reduced. I would stay away from them. ANything that cause inflammation other than training should be avoided imo. And FD2 is an anti inflammatory. I agree that ARA works great, but get ready for the cost to be paid later.
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    Sooo, high intake of eggs for 50 days would lead to permanent increases in inflammation? I don't doubt you are dealing with chronic inflammation, i do as well and can't take ARA, but a permanent increase from it alone i doubt.

  23. While Ara is involved in chronic inflammation, it is not the cause of chronic inflammation. In much the same way using supplements to alter neurotransmitters (I.e. serotonin, dopamine etc) does not cause depression even though depression has ties to neurotransmitter imbalance.

    This is where a lot of people go wrong in their thought process. For instance, creatine supplementation can cause excessive levels of creatinine, and certain kidney conditions can also increase these levels, but that doesn't mean creatine causes those kidney issues.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    @warbird01 Got that link to that study??
    Look like the board censored a string of characters in his original link - it' probably in here somewhere:

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/sea...urnals=PLoSONE
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