Pct help

[emunoz5263]

So I've been trying to start a cycle I was able to get ahold of this for a pct what do you guys think

 

[tsmog]

Looks solid but you're going to need a little more for pct. I would recommend getting another box if you can and also run clomid as well.

 

[tsmog]

Looks solid but you're going to need a little more for pct. I would recommend getting another box if you can and also run clomid as well.

Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 50/50/25/25

 

[jtmass]

Does one really have to run both? Nolva with a natty test booster should do, right? Depending on your cycle (if it's not mild), keep an AI handy.

 

[tsmog]

Does one really have to run both? Nolva with a natty test booster should do, right? Depending on your cycle (if it's not mild), keep an AI handy.

Some actually don't, but recovery is so much better and easier when running both. The sides of Clomid Suck too for most. Oh yes, an AI during and after cycle such as aromasin is a must. 12.5mg EOD

 

[jtmass]

Some actually don't, but recovery is so much better and easier when running both. The sides of Clomid Suck too for most. Oh yes, an AI during and after cycle such as aromasin is a must. 12.5mg EOD

But the sides of taking both Nolva and Clomid?? Not good.

 

[tsmog]

But the sides of taking both Nolva and Clomid?? Not good.

If one runs it at obscenely high doses. I'd like to get some more feedback on this for OP.

 

[skinnybones]

It's good that you have PCT set up before you start your cycle nice job. Both Clomid and Nolva are most likely not necessarily ,depending on what you will be cycling.....
What will you be cycling?

 

[emunoz5263]

I have lgd nothing strong but thinking about adding dzine by hardcore formalation

 

[tsmog]

Yeah, the Nolva should be plenty for pct then.

 

[Slims]

What are you using for your Test Base?

 

[emunoz5263]

For the both of for just lgd ?

 

[Slims]

For the both of for just lgd ?

Both DMZ and LGD are renowned for lethargy and loss of libido, so you're really going to need a good Test Base.
Are you looking to bulk or cut?

 

[emunoz5263]

To bulk don't want to take them together want to do maybe dzine first than lgd and than pct

 

[tsmog]

To bulk don't want to take them together want to do maybe dzine first than lgd and than pct

Why not stack lgd with another Sarm and just drop the ph?

 

[emunoz5263]

Would the same results be there ?

 

[tsmog]

Would the same results be there ?

The results won't be as dramatic but you will experience less sides and can run it much longer. I would suggest LGD and S4 for 8 -12 weeks.

 

[Slims]

Would the same results be there ?

The DMZ will provide better gains as it's an actual PH, but as it's a stronger compound it poses more potential sides. But you'd still need a good Test Base,

DHEA
Standard Test Base
Pro's-Easy and smooth base with no Side Effects.
Con's-Doesn't provide any additional gains.

4-Andro
Bulking/Wet Test Base
Pro's-Can provide additional gains, Helps to keep joints lubricated.
Con's-Potential estrogen related side effects, Increases water retention/weight.
(Would never recommend 4-AD)

Epi-Andro
Cutting/Dry DHT Base
Pro's-Can provide additional gains, Can provide additional fat loss, Can provide additional water loss, Reduces estrogen, Increased "Alpha Male" feeling, Increased aggression, Increased Strength capabilities.
Con's-Can aggrevate joint pain, Potential MPB acceleration, Potential post cycle estrogen rebound.

 

[emunoz5263]

What u guys recommend on a good natural test

 

[Slims]

What u guys recommend on a good natural test

The LGD and/or DMZ will suppress your natural testosterone, hence why you need a Test Base.

 

[JahCure]

The DMZ will provide better gains as it's an actual PH, but as it's a stronger compound it poses more potential sides. But you'd still need a good Test Base,

DHEA
Standard Test Base
Pro's-Easy and smooth base with no Side Effects.
Con's-Doesn't provide any additional gains.

4-Andro
Bulking/Wet Test Base
Pro's-Can provide additional gains, Helps to keep joints lubricated.
Con's-Potential estrogen related side effects, Increases water retention/weight.
(Would never recommend 4-AD)

Epi-Andro
Cutting/Dry DHT Base
Pro's-Can provide additional gains, Can provide additional fat loss, Can provide additional water loss, Reduces estrogen, Increased "Alpha Male" feeling, Increased aggression, Increased Strength capabilities.
Con's-Can aggrevate joint pain, Potential MPB acceleration, Potential post cycle estrogen rebound.

Curious, why would you not recommend 4-ad as his test base?

 

[Slims]

Curious, why would you not recommend 4-ad as his test base?

I don't recommend the use of 4-AD because it converts to estrogen as well as testosterone. I know estrogen is also an important hormone and is beneficial in terms of both health and muscle gains, but the potential side effects outway the positives in my view.

 

[JahCure]

I don't recommend the use of 4-AD because it converts to estrogen as well as testosterone. I know estrogen is also an important hormone and is beneficial in terms of both health and muscle gains, but the potential side effects outway the positives in my view.

Gotcha, noted. So if you were to recommend 4-ad you would also be recommending an Ai, whereas with 4-andro someone most likely will not necessarily need an Ai.

 

[Slims]

Gotcha, noted. So if you were to recommend 4-ad you would also be recommending an Ai, whereas with 4-andro someone most likely will not necessarily need an Ai.

4-AD is short for 4-AnDro.
If you're going to use an AI with 4-Andro then you may aswell use Epi-Andro as Epi-Andro has anti-estrogenic properties, and is by far a better Test/DHT base than both standard DHEA and 4-Andro.

 

[Spartan lean]

So if epi andro is a better test base than 4 andro is their a reason people run cycles with epi, 4 andro and 1 andro. What, if anything does the 4 ando add to the tri andro cycle?

 

[Slims]

So if epi andro is a better test base than 4 andro is their a reason people run cycles with epi, 4 andro and 1 andro. What, if anything does the 4 ando add to the tri andro cycle?

As I previously mentioned, 4-Andro converts to estrogen as well as testosterone and that estrogen is a beneficial hormone to overall health and muscle gains. The 4-Andro could help to increase/improve mass gains, it also helps to keep the joints lubricated, which again, is beneficial to mass gains.
Epi-Andro is a better base when compared to either DHEA and/or 4-Andro in terms of pro's vs con's.