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[BBiceps]

I haven't used a pre for years but I'm looking to get one finally with all the "fun stuff".

But, I do not want DMAA or Yohimbe or anything like that. It can actually be low stim (I can add that by myself).

I do want all the pump, endurance and creatine ingredients and if you have anything in mind, please let me know.

Thanks!

 

[slimsaw00]

Quake 10.0 and add a scoop of creatine. It's a great preworkout.

L-Citrulline
Peak02
LCLT

All of which will help endurance and recovery. Right now it's my favorite preworkout.

I used a tub and ordered two more.

 

[The Solution]

Quake 10.0 would be a great option for pump and performance.
Nitrates, high dose of citrulline, Capros, LCLT, BCAA's and Theanine (to help smooth out the energy).
Creatine is one of the cheapest bulk raw's you can buy so you could easily add that yourself. And it is only 175mg of caffeine per scoop.

You could also invest in an ergogenic and just add a caffeine tab such as PES Ergonine or Iforce Finish Line

 

[thatsuppguy]

Have to agree with the 2 above, Quake is the way to go if you dont want other stims. I am very impressed with the formula. Energy and endurance are huge with this one.

 

[booneman77]

For a comprehensive, quake is great.

For more focus, Sns focus xt (with or without caffiene) and you can always add a cap or two of agmatine xt or bulk citrulline for pumps.

 

[BBiceps]

Have to agree with the 2 above, Quake is the way to go if you dont want other stims. I am very impressed with the formula. Energy and endurance are huge with this one.

I gonna check this one out, thanks!

 

[BBiceps]

For a comprehensive, quake is great.

For more focus, Sns focus xt (with or without caffiene) and you can always add a cap or two of agmatine xt or bulk citrulline for pumps.

I was impressed after my first tub of Focus XT but after that it was unimpressive...

I'll check out quake thanks.

 

[BBiceps]

Quake 10.0 and add a scoop of creatine. It's a great preworkout.

L-Citrulline
Peak02
LCLT

All of which will help endurance and recovery. Right now it's my favorite preworkout.

I used a tub and ordered two more.

I gonna check that one out, thanks!

 

[AntM1564]

You could also go with a non stim pre workout (VasoMax, High Volume, HemaVo2, etc.) and add a caffeine tablet or half of a tablet.

 

[The Solution]

You could also go with a non stim pre workout (VasoMax, High Volume, HemaVo2, etc.) and add a caffeine tablet or half of a tablet.

Sure, but your missing out on a lot of the performance aspects OP Is looking for.
Nitrates, Capros, BCAA's and LCLT in Quake are going to be better then just focusing on hydromax, citrulline and pump aspects.

I mean sure he could buy a pump product + an ergogenic + a caffeine pill, but when it comes down to what is most cost effective quake covers performance and pump pretty darn well.

 

[migsacura]

Megatron Pre-workout --funny name but has great ingredient profile and no caffiene! I eliminated all stims due to BP

Vitamin C (as Ascorbic Acid) 300mg
Niacin 10mg
Vitamin B12 (as Methylcobalamin) 1000mcg
Sodium (as Sodium Chloride) 200mg
Citrulline Malate 3g
-b-Alanine (CarnoSyn) 2.6g
Glycerol Monostearate 1g-
Betaine Anhydrous 1.5g
L-Taurine (Micronized) 1g
Selaginella Tamariscina Extract (Std. to 20% Amentoflavone [by HPLC]) 200mg
L-Alpha Glyceryl Phosphoryl Choline 150mg
N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine 350mg
Vinpocetine (Vinca minor/Periwinkle Extract) 5mg
Absorption Enhancer-Piperine (Black Pepper Extract) 5mg
V02 Max Support Matrix 1.1g
-L-Carnitine L-Tartrate1g†-Na-R-ALA 100mg

 

[BBiceps]

Megatron Pre-workout --funny name but has great ingredient profile and no caffiene! I eliminated all stims due to BP

Vitamin C (as Ascorbic Acid) 300mg
Niacin 10mg
Vitamin B12 (as Methylcobalamin) 1000mcg
Sodium (as Sodium Chloride) 200mg
Citrulline Malate 3g
-b-Alanine (CarnoSyn) 2.6g
Glycerol Monostearate 1g-
Betaine Anhydrous 1.5g
L-Taurine (Micronized) 1g
Selaginella Tamariscina Extract (Std. to 20% Amentoflavone [by HPLC]) 200mg
L-Alpha Glyceryl Phosphoryl Choline 150mg
N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine 350mg
Vinpocetine (Vinca minor/Periwinkle Extract) 5mg
Absorption Enhancer-Piperine (Black Pepper Extract) 5mg
V02 Max Support Matrix 1.1g
-L-Carnitine L-Tartrate1g†-Na-R-ALA 100mg

Funny name for sure but looks like fun, thanks!

 

[chris.patron]

Have you thought of ordering all the individual supplements in bulk and making your own preworkout?

 

[Mike Arnold]

I haven't used a pre for years but I'm looking to get one finally with all the "fun stuff".

But, I do not want DMAA or Yohimbe or anything like that. It can actually be low stim (I can add that by myself).

I do want all the pump, endurance and creatine ingredients and if you have anything in mind, please let me know.

Thanks!

In just a few weeks MA Labs will be releasing a stim-free pre-workout called MA-PUMP, which sounds right up your alley. It will be the strongest pump-inducing, muscle volumizing product on the market--guaranteed.

We will be putting up a thread looking for loggers as soon as it is released. I just wanted to let you know if you are interested in applying.

 

[LeanEngineer]

Have to agree with the 2 above, Quake is the way to go if you dont want other stims. I am very impressed with the formula. Energy and endurance are huge with this one.

I have heard a lot of good things about Quake so i'd give that a try. I believe there's some past logs on it in the supplement logs section as well.

 

[JAMES1980]

Quake or
Quake stim free.

I tried 2 scoops Quake Stim Free + 2 caffeine tabs (200mgx2) + 100 mg Teacrine. Hit me like a train! Clean energy , sharp focus and no crash.

 

[BBiceps]

Have you thought of ordering all the individual supplements in bulk and making your own preworkout?

That what I been doing for awhile but it starting to be annoying to mix it every time...

 

[BBiceps]

Quake or
Quake stim free.

I tried 2 scoops Quake Stim Free + 2 caffeine tabs (200mgx2) + 100 mg Teacrine. Hit me like a train! Clean energy , sharp focus and no crash.

Quake is what I'm leaning towards, thanks.

 

[cobri66]

Volatile is a low stim pre..MaxOut from IForce another one for pump

 

[TrainerTone]

Quake is top notch!!

 

[MARK_]

I haven't used a pre for years but I'm looking to get one finally with all the "fun stuff".

But, I do not want DMAA or Yohimbe or anything like that. It can actually be low stim (I can add that by myself).

I do want all the pump, endurance and creatine ingredients and if you have anything in mind, please let me know.

Thanks!

I thought DMAA and Yohimbe was the "fun stuff"? Quake seems to be getting a lot of love. I haven't tried it yet, but may give it a try myself. Max Out, Volatile, Hemavo2 Max, Stimul8, Hyde, C4 is another people use a lot. There are so many options really.

 

[Powercage]

Been using Gamer Up myself

 

[BBiceps]

I thought DMAA and Yohimbe was the "fun stuff"?.

Not to me, I don't feel good on it at all...

 

[chris.patron]

Not to me, I don't feel good on it at all...

Same the dmaa put me in A fib one time I went blind and was in the gym pounding on my chest trying to get back into a normal rhythm

 

[BBiceps]

Same the dmaa put me in A fib one time I went blind and was in the gym pounding on my chest trying to get back into a normal rhythm

Wow, that sucks! Glad you're ok

 

[Robert5891]

Give Finish Lish a look.

It contains all of your daily ergogenics like betaine and creatine. For pumps, all you need to add is some bulk agmatine and iForce Potassium Nitrate and your set!

 

[BBiceps]

I came down with 2 finalist, Quake and Finishline. I'm leaning towards Quake but I'll see what kind of deals I can find.

Thanks for all the recommendations!

 

[The Solution]

Both are great products. Quake will pack the "pump" portion you were looking for in your original post. Not to mention the performance aspects of LCLT (Recovery), BCAA's, Nitrates (Pump/Performance), Capros, and Peak02 (performance/recovery). A very well rounded formula to give you the best of both worlds.

 

[JAMES1980]

Happiness is opening new tub of Quake
The Solution

 

[chris.patron]

Wow, that sucks! Glad you're ok

Thanks! Ya at the time it happened I was actually in the EMT program so first thing I did before I completely lost my vision was I located the AED and start waking towards in hopes that if my heart stopped someone there would be trained on how to use it. Now I take caffeine and other stimulants at a minimum. I believe it was the original formula for 1MR. Scary stuff but man i remember I'd take a scoop of that stuff and I felt like I could bench press a car haha

 

[cobri66]

Not to me, I don't feel good on it at all...

Yohimbine wrecks me but DMAA is heaven

 

[boulon]

Beta alanine, lclt, bicarbonate, green tea extract, with some caffeine
Ashwagandha/rhodiola...
Forskoline

 

[BBiceps]

Yohimbine wrecks me but DMAA is heaven

Lol, DMAA makes me crash so hard I have to take a nap

 

[JAMES1980]

I never experience post workout crash with Mesomorph but crash pretty hard with Old Jack by Gen One

 

[barrettv]

Old post but Transparent Labs Preseries Bulk has everything minus the creatine. Or the Stim Free version which has full creatine dosage.