GDA's??

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  1. Ty for the Infos mates
    Don't understand why Gda's works so extreme for me. I tracked yesterday calories and needed arround 8000 kcals to feel full muscles and every other dude only Needs 100 g carbs ��
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    NA-R-ALA, ALA, & Agmatine would be an effective GDA for him to utilize prior to a large carb meal. Not to mention these are the most cost effective in bulk for someone looking to make their own GDA mixture

    if he wanted to grab one from a company:
    Chaos & Pain ******** ( My Current Favorite )
    Performax Slinmax
    Evomuse Slintensity
    Myokem Transport
    AD Matador
    SNS Glycophase
    Blue Star Glycodrive

    would be some good options.
    Hey @The Solution , how did you find Project AD's Matador?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slims View Post
    Hey @The Solution , how did you find Project AD's Matador?
    Good product. I would still put ******** above it just based off personal experience.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    Good product. I would still put ******** above it just based off personal experience.
    SlinMax is by far the best/my favourite GDA/NP I've ever used. So out of curiosity how would you compare ******** to SlinMax?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slims View Post
    SlinMax is by far the best/my favourite GDA/NP I've ever used. So out of curiosity how would you compare ******** to SlinMax?
    I will still stand that ******** is my favorite of the bunch that I have tried and listed above. Again i have slintensity coming in early next week, so I will put it to the test to see how it stacks up. I just felt little/no bloat the entire ******** run and I continued to get leaner even with increasing my intake. I have never had that success with any other GDA I ran.

    I would say slinmax is a top 3 choice no question. Great formula and good product.
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  6. I need to look up ******** again. I thought when it first came out it didn't seem to stack up that great against SlinMax. Maybe I missed something.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    I will still stand that ******** is my favorite of the bunch that I have tried and listed above. Again i have slintensity coming in early next week, so I will put it to the test to see how it stacks up. I just felt little/no bloat the entire ******** run and I continued to get leaner even with increasing my intake. I have never had that success with any other GDA I ran.

    I would say slinmax is a top 3 choice no question. Great formula and good product.
    Damn! That good?
    Might have to give ******** a go after my GDA break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post
    I need to look up ******** again. I thought when it first came out it didn't seem to stack up that great against SlinMax. Maybe I missed something.
    It is also how the user and consumer responds to the product. There are a lot of great formula's out for every category of supplements. This is just feedback I have noted when dosing ******** in a similar degree as slinmax. With cheat meals, with meals of 30-50-100g of carbs. I just took notes on how I felt (digestion, bloating), and used the mirror to see what worked best for me. At the end of the day both are great products, but I found with even adding calories on a gaining phase I was still leaning up on ******** compared to Slinmax.
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  9. Would these products be better suited prior to simple carb consumption? And if so, is there any benefit to a gda prior to a large complex carb meal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Would these products be better suited prior to simple carb consumption? And if so, is there any benefit to a gda prior to a large complex carb meal?
    You can utilize a GDA prior to a simple/complex carb meal. The only time it would not have a lot of merit would be post-workout when insulin sensitivity is already sky high. Working out is the best GDA the body can have, so take it with a pre-workout meal or meals away from the post-workout period.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    You can utilize a GDA prior to a simple/complex carb meal. The only time it would not have a lot of merit would be post-workout when insulin sensitivity is already sky high. Working out is the best GDA the body can have, so take it with a pre-workout meal or meals away from the post-workout period.
    Thanks man, that makes a lot of sense and is greatly appreciated. One more inquiry for you or anyone; which GDA product would you recommend for someone that doesn't consume immense amounts of carbs. The reason for asking is I was reading up on Chaos and Pain ******** and multiple people thought it was almost too strong and would put them in a pseudo hypo state. Thanks!!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Thanks man, that makes a lot of sense and is greatly appreciated. One more inquiry for you or anyone; which GDA product would you recommend for someone that doesn't consume immense amounts of carbs. The reason for asking is I was reading up on Chaos and Pain ******** and multiple people thought it was almost too strong and would put them in a pseudo hypo state. Thanks!!
    How many grams of carbs are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Thanks man, that makes a lot of sense and is greatly appreciated. One more inquiry for you or anyone; which GDA product would you recommend for someone that doesn't consume immense amounts of carbs. The reason for asking is I was reading up on Chaos and Pain ******** and multiple people thought it was almost too strong and would put them in a pseudo hypo state. Thanks!!
    Well if you really are not consuming a lot of carbs there is a good chance you can do without a GDA. As long as you have your caloric surplus/deficit in check GDA's are really not an item on the high importance list for supplements compared to the staples. I would personally go without it in your situation.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    Well if you really are not consuming a lot of carbs there is a good chance you can do without a GDA. As long as you have your caloric surplus/deficit in check GDA's are really not an item on the high importance list for supplements compared to the staples. I would personally go without it in your situation.
    Thanks for the advice! I'm usually only taking in about 100 grams at night from the hours of around 8-10. Probably better to use my money on more crucial supplements.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Thanks for the advice! I'm usually only taking in about 100 grams at night from the hours of around 8-10. Probably better to use my money on more crucial supplements.
    agree with this, but if you want to get some GDA effects for much cheaper go back to the first page and find where I quoted Kbayne's original content from an older thread. For that amount of carbs, his advice would be perfect..

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Darkhorse192 View Post
    agree with this, but if you want to get some GDA effects for much cheaper go back to the first page and find where I quoted Kbayne's original content from an older thread. For that amount of carbs, his advice would be perfect..
    Will do man, I'll look into that for sure. Thanks for the insight!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Thanks for the advice! I'm usually only taking in about 100 grams at night from the hours of around 8-10. Probably better to use my money on more crucial supplements.
    In that case I would just grab some bulk agmatine (primaforce) and ALA (primaforce)
    take 500mg-2g of agmatine and 600-1200mg ALA. That should easily cover your needs.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    In that case I would just grab some bulk agmatine (primaforce) and ALA (primaforce)
    take 500mg-2g of agmatine and 600-1200mg ALA. That should easily cover your needs.
    Thanks man! Do you think there would be any benefit of tossing in some ALCAR, bitter melon or berberine? I really appreciate the insight!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Thanks man! Do you think there would be any benefit of tossing in some ALCAR, bitter melon or berberine? I really appreciate the insight!
    You could add the Alcar if you wish, considering your really only doing 1 meal of 100g of carbs the need to add additional things would be pretty minimal. Then again if this meal is post-workout the need for any of them may be not necessary at all, since training is the best GDA and when insulin sensitivity is highest.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    You could add the Alcar if you wish, considering your really only doing 1 meal of 100g of carbs the need to add additional things would be pretty minimal. Then again if this meal is post-workout the need for any of them may be not necessary at all, since training is the best GDA and when insulin sensitivity is highest.
    Yeah I figured it would be pretty pointless if it was post-workout. My training sessions are first thing in the morning though so I figure this may be beneficial. Just out of curiosity, what if anything do you expect me to notice with say the agmatine and ALA? I have very modest expectations given my low carb intake but I figure it's worth hearing from someone much more knowledgeable on the effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Yeah I figured it would be pretty pointless if it was post-workout. My training sessions are first thing in the morning though so I figure this may be beneficial. Just out of curiosity, what if anything do you expect me to notice with say the agmatine and ALA? I have very modest expectations given my low carb intake but I figure it's worth hearing from someone much more knowledgeable on the effects.
    Less bloating, better utilization of the carbs when using a GDA (Glucose disposal agent). You do not really feel anything using the products, it is just how the product works. Same thing you can say with things like Synerglut, peak02, beatine towards exercise performance you do not really feel them when you take them, but you reap the effects.

    personally if you are training first thing in the morning I would put the bulk of your carbs around your workout for optimal performance. My 2 cents.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    Less bloating, better utilization of the carbs when using a GDA (Glucose disposal agent). You do not really feel anything using the products, it is just how the product works. Same thing you can say with things like Synerglut, peak02, beatine towards exercise performance you do not really feel them when you take them, but you reap the effects.

    personally if you are training first thing in the morning I would put the bulk of your carbs around your workout for optimal performance. My 2 cents.
    I fully agree theoretically but unfortunately many years of experience and logging stats/pics (I'm a scientist so significant analysis was done) resulted in this being the optimal training time and more importantly macro consumption and timing while in a recomp phase. I know your advice applies to most scenarios but I guess I'm just pseudo anomalous with some of those aspects.

  23. Is it true that agmatine makes you retain water weight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonc06 View Post
    Is it true that agmatine makes you retain water weight?
    to my knowledge no.
    - Agmatine can increase appetite
    - protect cells from acidity in the stomach
    - Vasodilation and nutrient partitioning studies to back its effectiveness
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  25. Hey Buddies,
    Can I Counter the atrophy effects from some GDAs with epicatechin ?
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