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  1. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    is there any ingredient you would avoid around a workout? Would it be overkill to stack berberine and NA-R-ALA + Agmatine for high carb meals?
    Also very interested in the potentiality of "over-dosing/overkill," waiting in anticipation


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  3. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    is there any ingredient you would avoid around a workout? Would it be overkill to stack berberine and NA-R-ALA + Agmatine for high carb meals?
    Personally, no. Both berberine and alpha lipoic acid are known to inhibit hypertorphy, but at what degree? No one can say for certain. I've seen the studies but still not enough to make me not dose either around workouts. ALA is a powerful anti oxidant while berberine is a strong AMPK activator, and for this reason, people are afraid of using the two close to a workout.

    I do not believe it is overkill dosing the three prior to any carb meal. They all have their own MOA in terms of insulin sensitivity, glucose uptake, blood sugar, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by sonofzeusv2 View Post
    Thanks for the breakdown, I've been curious regarding proper dosing for some time now, the only one I was nearly 100% sure of was agmatine
    Anytime. Agmatine is one of the better ones to be utilizing as well. A glucose monitor is highly recommend, not just for checking your fasted blood sugar, but also confirming if these compounds are working as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by sonofzeusv2 View Post
    Also very interested in the potentiality of "over-dosing/overkill," waiting in anticipation
    Again, no overkill with these three.

    If one wanted to, they could hold off on berberine or dose a few times a week at most. Now if someone has a high fasted blood sugar level, then add in berberine at 500-1500mg per day.
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    So if you would not avoid any GDA based ingredient around a workout, what would your reccomendations be on different carb intakes and amounts for the GDA ingredients?

    How much would you differ the doses for say 50, 75, or 100g of carbs in a pre-workout meal. We both know using them Post-workout when insulin sensitivity is high would not be an ideal thing to do.

    Would you say.... 300-400mg NA-R-ALA, 500-1g Agmatine , 500mg Berberine would be safe and a good combo for 100g Carbs? and then maybe downgrade those for 50/75g in amount?
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    So if you would not avoid any GDA based ingredient around a workout, what would your reccomendations be on different carb intakes and amounts for the GDA ingredients?

    How much would you differ the doses for say 50, 75, or 100g of carbs in a pre-workout meal. We both know using them Post-workout when insulin sensitivity is high would not be an ideal thing to do.

    Would you say.... 300-400mg NA-R-ALA, 500-1g Agmatine , 500mg Berberine would be safe and a good combo for 100g Carbs? and then maybe downgrade those for 50/75g in amount?
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    So if you would not avoid any GDA based ingredient around a workout, what would your reccomendations be on different carb intakes and amounts for the GDA ingredients?

    How much would you differ the doses for say 50, 75, or 100g of carbs in a pre-workout meal. We both know using them Post-workout when insulin sensitivity is high would not be an ideal thing to do.

    Would you say.... 300-400mg NA-R-ALA, 500-1g Agmatine , 500mg Berberine would be safe and a good combo for 100g Carbs? and then maybe downgrade those for 50/75g in amount?
    Depending on the size of the meal post-workout, I still think there is merit to adding in certain ingredients. Also, if one is taking in an intra carb shake, the post-workout sensitivity advantage is negated some what.

    As for carb intake and compound doses. I tend to keep it the same beside post-workout, where my carb intake is very very high. This is where a glucose monitor comes in handy so you can test the compound doses and carb intakes. Personally I do:
    ALA - 900mg (post-workout 1200mg)
    Agmatine - 500mg (post-workout 750-1000mg)
    ALCAR - 1 gram (morning and pre-workout)

    If using Na-R-ALA, you can either dose 300mg in the morning prior to your carb meal and be good for the rest of the day, or simply dose 100-150mg prior to 2-3 carb meals.

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  8. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Personally, no. Both berberine and alpha lipoic acid are known to inhibit hypertorphy, but at what degree? No one can say for certain. I've seen the studies but still not enough to make me not dose either around workouts. ALA is a powerful anti oxidant while berberine is a strong AMPK activator, and for this reason, people are afraid of using the two close to a workout.

    I do not believe it is overkill dosing the three prior to any carb meal. They all have their own MOA in terms of insulin sensitivity, glucose uptake, blood

    Again, no overkill with these three.

    If one wanted to, they could hold off on berberine or dose a few times a week at most. Now if someone has a high fasted blood sugar level, then add in berberine at 500-1500mg per day.
    Amen! Been doing this for a while. ALA around workouts is best, IMO. I also feel no need to waste money on cancer ALA isomers.

    Their MOA are all different and the affects they have on hyoerteophy are bunk, imo. No studies, Timmy knowledge have been done to show any negative effect on young, healthy, weight training persons.
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  9. The best comment I've heard about the worry of Berberine around workouts was from either Dr. Scott Stevens, or Skip Hill (I forget which show I was listening to) - They said the guys who are paying their bills with lean body mass, are taking Metformin all-the-time.... if it hurt "gains" they wouldn't be. Now, maybe the drugs negate it, but I too think it's nothing to worry about.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by The_Old_Guy View Post
    The best comment I've heard about the worry of Berberine around workouts was from either Dr. Scott Stevens, or Skip Hill (I forget which show I was listening to) - They said the guys who are paying their bills with lean body mass, are taking Metformin all-the-time.... if it hurt "gains" they wouldn't be. Now, maybe the drugs negate it, but I too think it's nothing to worry about.

    my question would be:

    is metformin used more for its own relevance, or used more to balance out the effects of copious amounts of exogenous insulin usage? but for the conversations sake, I dont disagree with your point.


    either way, i'd like to see more information coming from the lifting demographic regarding insulin sensitivity. I chalk up things like ALA under the why not category.

    although youd likely get just as much benefit using a gda type ingredient a couple meals a day, to plan every meal regarding nutrient metabolism is questionably efficient in the first place. so it goes back to, even if it doesnt do anything bad, why do it peri workout, when it has little to justify doing anything extra. aside from the justification that its when people eat more, which in itself is further lacking justification in the big picture of science backed nutrient timing in lifters.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by The_Old_Guy View Post
    The best comment I've heard about the worry of Berberine around workouts was from either Dr. Scott Stevens, or Skip Hill (I forget which show I was listening to) - They said the guys who are paying their bills with lean body mass, are taking Metformin all-the-time.... if it hurt "gains" they wouldn't be. Now, maybe the drugs negate it, but I too think it's nothing to worry about.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    If you're using anabolics, then the equation changes. Dramatically.
    Yeah, I'm sure it does. I'd like to know what what the true natty BB'ers do?

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  14. Quote Originally Posted by The_Old_Guy View Post
    Yeah, I'm sure it does. I'd like to know what what the true natty BB'ers do?
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  15. Hey fellas,
    Can someone tell me what ingredient in gda's reduces that bloated stomach and let the belly feel flat ?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Mks123 View Post
    Hey fellas,
    Can someone tell me what ingredient in gda's reduces that bloated stomach and let the belly feel flat ?
    None. That's poop in there
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  17. Lol. I think he's calling you full of $h!t. Jk.

    Berberine and ala seem to help bloating from carb indulgence for me.

  18. Amateur question incoming- I have pretty decent success with relatively low carb diets. I consume most of my carbs at night (maybe 100 grams) before bed. Would there be an ideal product for this in terms of partitioning, etc. given that I'm not pounding 400g carbs at a meal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    As for carb intake and compound doses. I tend to keep it the same beside post-workout, where my carb intake is very very high. This is where a glucose monitor comes in handy so you can test the compound doses and carb intakes. Personally I do:
    ALA - 900mg (post-workout 1200mg)
    Agmatine - 500mg (post-workout 750-1000mg)
    ALCAR - 1 gram (morning and pre-workout)

    If using Na-R-ALA, you can either dose 300mg in the morning prior to your carb meal and be good for the rest of the day, or simply dose 100-150mg prior to 2-3 carb meals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Amateur question incoming- I have pretty decent success with relatively low carb diets. I consume most of my carbs at night (maybe 100 grams) before bed. Would there be an ideal product for this in terms of partitioning, etc. given that I'm not pounding 400g carbs at a meal?
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    Here you go.
    Thanks for the info! I work out in the mornings though but I can incorporate that into a high carb pre bed meal. Thank you!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Amateur question incoming- I have pretty decent success with relatively low carb diets. I consume most of my carbs at night (maybe 100 grams) before bed. Would there be an ideal product for this in terms of partitioning, etc. given that I'm not pounding 400g carbs at a meal?
    Nothing people mention are going to partition your carbs, not that 100g is an issue for your system in the slightest anyways. Generally for someone to give an accurate answer more info around current metabolic health/bf % etc would be needed...orr bob can just regurgitate the same blanket bs post like he does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoAddedHmones View Post
    Nothing people mention are going to partition your carbs, not that 100g is an issue for your system in the slightest anyways. Generally for someone to give an accurate answer more info around current metabolic health/bf % etc would be needed...orr bob can just regurgitate the same blanket bs post like he does.
    NA-R-ALA, ALA, & Agmatine would be an effective GDA for him to utilize prior to a large carb meal. Not to mention these are the most cost effective in bulk for someone looking to make their own GDA mixture

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  23. Predator by choas and Pain is by far the best one I ever tried. Kills the bloat and zero stomach discomfort

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Mks123 View Post
    Hey fellas,
    Can someone tell me what ingredient in gda's reduces that bloated stomach and let the belly feel flat ?
    Gut Health will help with the bloating.
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