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  1. Mind and muscle has plenty to choose from including
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by 00A View Post
    Is there a fat burner that ppl seen results mostly on belly fat and that bottom stubborn roll that is hard to get rid off.
    And yes I know you cannot do spot training..
    As a general rule, you are correct about spot reduction, BUT there is some (tiny, tiny, tiny amount) of research on PubMed showing that you can, in fact, maybe, spot reduce with a topical. In the one case I know of, it was with a substance in Licorice (Glycyrrhetinic acid).

    I also did a "trial" on myself, eating maintenance calories and meticulously (best I could manage) measuring with BIA, Caliper, and Tape Measure using SuperNova. I saw a 1-2mm reduction in the fat next to the Navel.

    Now, you have to decide if $45'ish x however long you want to use it, is worth it for 1-2mm - or if you'd rather just "diet" longer on ~$10/month of Primatene? But if you have the money, and want the absolute fastest result, hitting every "fat loss" method - a topical isn't useless IMO. "Melts Fat" is a bit over-enthusiastic though, IMO

    The data on Yohimbine HCL is pretty slim though, and I believe Rauwolscine has none - as far as fat loss in humans goes - see:

    https://suppversity.blogspot.com/201...-stubborn.html
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  3. I agree with @cubsfan815 and @kjkitzman - Supernova is a great product. As I mentioned above, yohimbine can be a great "stubborn fat" product to help by mobilizing fat stores in tough to target areas like the lower stomach and obliques. I would give Lyle McDonald's Stubborn Fat Solution a read through, he also recommends the use of yohimbine. Depending on your sensitivity to y-hcl, you may also want to consider using rauwloscine too (alpha-yohimbine). I don't feel the anxiety and negative sides as much from alpha-y. TA2 Max would be a great product to check out.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by john.patterson View Post
    I agree with @cubsfan815 and @kjkitzman - Supernova is a great product. As I mentioned above, yohimbine can be a great "stubborn fat" product to help by mobilizing fat stores in tough to target areas like the lower stomach and obliques. I would give Lyle McDonald's Stubborn Fat Solution a read through, he also recommends the use of yohimbine. Depending on your sensitivity to y-hcl, you may also want to consider using rauwloscine too (alpha-yohimbine). I don't feel the anxiety and negative sides as much from alpha-y. TA2 Max would be a great product to check out.
    I actually was just reading about yohimbine vs alpha-yohimbine. Any significant difference between the two? Better for fat loss? Can you take both, but since both should be taken fasted it seems like you would have to choose one over the other!?
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by kjkitzman View Post
    I actually was just reading about yohimbine vs alpha-yohimbine. Any significant difference between the two? Better for fat loss? Can you take both, but since both should be taken fasted it seems like you would have to choose one over the other!?
    There are a few differences with the two. I've always "felt" Yohimbine-hcl working more than alpha-yohimbine - more sweating, warmer body temp, etc. but many people experience bad side effects with y-hcl such as anxiety, jitters, and restlessness. There has been a looot of discussion on the topic of which is better and which is more effective, and from what I can recall alpha-y binds better to the receptor which makes it more effective for lipolysis. Although the effects aren't felt physically as much with alpha-y, it has a more significant impact on fat mobilization and fat loss in the body.

    The two can be used and taken together, but it isn't usually necessary. Alpha-y is more expensive because it is a more pure extract than y-hcl. With that being said, I would try out y-hcl first and see how you feel. Start with a low dose (1-2 caps or 2.5-5mg) and work your way up to .2mg per pound of body weight (if you can tolerate it).

    Alpha-yohimbine will not require as high of a dose, usually half the amount you would use with y-hcl. TA2 Max comes in 3mg caps, which would be plenty to start with if you choose to try alpha-y. Both y-hcl and alpha-y are great to use for fasted cardio
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  6. As mentioned and posted above, Oxymax XT is a great option. Not only from a fat burning standpoint, but also from a mood enhancement and appetite suppression one as well.

    Whatever supplement you decide one, I would look for anything with at least 50mg of forskolin, which Oxymax XT has. Forskolin will increase cAMP levels and help with increasing fat loss while also increasing lean mass. Now, diet needs to be on point, but it is a great ingredient. Here are some good reads on the ingredient.

    Forskolin increases metabolism, burns fat, breaks down triglycerides, and increases lean-body mass
    The thyroid stimulating strength of forskolin has been compared to TSH (thyrotropin). Thyroid hormone levels are important for leanness.
    Forskolin has increased total testosterone by 16% in male subjects during a 12-week trial.
    https://www.t-nation.com/supplements...with-forskolin

    Fat Mass:  The colforsin group lost 4.52 kilograms (9,94 pounds) of fat, plus or minus 5.74 kilograms, while the placebo group lost only 0.51 kilograms (1.12 pounds), plus or minus 1.91 kilograms.
    Lean Body Mass:  The colforsin group gained 3.71 kilograms of lean body mass (8.162 pounds), plus or minus 4.07 kilograms, while the placebo group gained 1.57 kilograms (3.45 pounds), plus or minus 2.56 kilograms.
    Testosterone:  The Testosterone of the colforsin group rose 33.7 percent, while it decreased 18.35 percent in the placebo group.
    https://www.t-nation.com/supplements...-the-messenger

    The total body weight of a mixed group of men and women in a 12-week study decreased from 74.7 kilograms to 73.5 kilograms while experiencing increases in lean body mass (without weight training).
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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16129715

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    http://www.infinitelabs.com/forskolin-reviews/

    I would also look into Evomuse's line and OL. They have pretty good fat burners as well!
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    From left to right - caffeine pill, shopslim E, bronkaid......only bronkaid was legit

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  8. Awesome. I need to grab a kit and test my source - thanks!

  9. Quote Originally Posted by TommyTuffGuy View Post
    I think the best fat burners are the non-stim ones..
    Assass1nate
    DCP
    Brite

    Things of that nature... The thermos I use for energy before lifting or cardio...
    Any logs out there maybe on Assass1nate?

  10. Hi Tech lipodrene elite just released. Looks great on paper. Ordered a bottle. Will review after a few days of usage.

  11. I have to throw Innovative Laboratories Hell Fire out there as my personal favorite. It gets me wide awake within 40 minutes.

  12. Cheap and works? SNS caffeine tabs and SNS alpha yohimbine. Cheap, effective and the caffeine tabs come in a variety of sizes.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by cheftepesh1 View Post
    Mind and muscle has plenty to choose from including
    OL blood shr3d
    EC stacks from innovative
    Is there a consensus on the best pre-combined EC stacks?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by ryane87 View Post
    Cheap and works? SNS caffeine tabs and SNS alpha yohimbine. Cheap, effective and the caffeine tabs come in a variety of sizes.
    This forum loves pushing SNS products...
    This is hardly a fat burner, you can have enough caffeine in coffee and pre workout, tablets just increass ability not to sleep.
    And yohimbine side effects are not for everyone

  15. Quote Originally Posted by 00A View Post
    This forum loves pushing SNS products...
    This is hardly a fat burner, you can have enough caffeine in coffee and pre workout, tablets just increass ability not to sleep.
    And yohimbine side effects are not for everyone
    I throw them out there because they are effective and cheap. You don't HAVE to have a pre workout. You don't HAVE to have coffee. And if you don't believe in being a stim hero, it's easy to assess alpha y. Alpha y has been proven to burn fat on an empty stomach during fasted cardio. Caffeine amplifies it. I believe in the company I rep for. This board isn't run for free. Reps are there to assist and hopefully drive traffic and sales for the board sponsors.

    SNS is a quality company, that is why I wanted to rep for them. If you are repping for a company you don't believe in, that's on you. We make such a wide range of products that not everyone knows what is available. So if I can bring something to light in a pertinent thread, I will.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by koltink View Post
    Another vote for bloodshr3d, but I slightly prefer radiate


    nothing currently available has come close to suppressing my appetite as well as radiate, reducing cals and sticking to a clean diet are the keys to losing weight, imho.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Is there a consensus on the best pre-combined EC stacks?
    There is no legally available "E" in any advertised "Fat Burner" sold in the US - they would be violating US Federal and State Law. If you see "Ephedra" listed on any supplement, they are scam artists stealing your money. Boycott them and tell everyone you know, to do so as well.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by ryane87 View Post
    I Alpha y has been proven to burn fat on an empty stomach during fasted cardio.
    Small point of order - AFAIK, there is ZERO data on a-Yohimbine contributing to greater fat loss than control/placebo in humans. Regular Yohimbine has as many that say it does nothing, as it does saying it does something. Here's some light reading

    Berlin, I., et al. "[Lack of efficacy of yohimbine in the treatment of obesity]." Journal de pharmacologie 17.3 (1985): 343-347.

    Galitzky, J., et al. "α2‐Antagonist compounds and lipid mobilization: evidence for a lipid mobilizing effect of oral yohimbine in healthy male volunteers." European journal of clinical investigation 18.6 (1988): 587-594.

    Galitzky, J., et al. "Role of vascular alpha-2 adrenoceptors in regulating lipid mobilization from human adipose tissue." Journal of Clinical Investigation 91.5 (1993): 1997.

    Lafontan, Max, et al. "Alpha-2 adrenoceptors in lipolysis: alpha 2 antagonists and lipid-mobilizing strategies." The American journal of clinical nutrition 55.1 (1992): 219S-227S.

    Lönnqvist, F., et al. "Catecholamine-induced lipolysis in adipose tissue of the elderly." Journal of Clinical Investigation 85.5 (1990): 1614.
    Ostojic, Sergej M. "Yohimbine: the effects on body composition and exercise performance in soccer players." Research in Sports Medicine 14.4 (2006): 289-299.

    Sax, L. "Yohimbine does not affect fat distribution in men." International journal of obesity 15.9 (1991): 561-565.

    Shim, Andrew, et al. "Assessing Various Body Composition Measurements as An Appropriate Tool for Estimating Body Fat in National Collegiate Athletic Association Division I Female Collegiate Athletes." American Journal of Sports Science and Medicine 2.1 (2014): 1-5.

    Tam, S. William, Manuel Worcel, and Michael Wyllie. "Yohimbine: a clinical review." Pharmacology & therapeutics 91.3 (2001): 215-243.
    Waluga, Marek, et al. "Cardiovascular effects of ephedrine, caffeine and yohimbine measured by thoracic electrical bioimpedance in obese women." Clinical Physiology 18.1 (1998): 69-76.

    Zahorska-Markiewicz, B., C. Kucio, and D. Piskorska. "Adrenergic control of lipolysis and metabolic responses in obesity." Hormone and metabolic research 18.10 (1986): 693-697.
    From: https://suppversity.blogspot.com/201...-stubborn.html

    @00A I'd say SNS isn't "pushed" too bad on here. They offer basically "Bulk" stuff for the best price for a retail company (obviously, actual bags of bulk stuff are cheaper - but they do offer an extra edge on the legitimacy scale if you happen to pick a bulk supplier that offers garbage) - in this case, at last glance, they were *the* cheapest source for Yohimbine Caps... next cheapest is Primaforce off Amazon. And I've never seen a headline about drugs or bogus quality/dosing either. I wish they'd dump CLA, but you can't please 100% of the people, 100% of the time

  19. Quote Originally Posted by The_Old_Guy View Post
    Small point of order - AFAIK, there is ZERO data on a-Yohimbine contributing to greater fat loss than control/placebo in humans. Regular Yohimbine has as many that say it does nothing, as it does saying it does something. Here's some light reading



    From: https://suppversity.blogspot.com/201...-stubborn.html
    I am going off the success that people have had using it properly. There is a lot anecdotal evidence of people having success with alpha y, when used properly, ie, in a fasted state, making fat loss a little easier. I know it's been helpful for me.
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  20. Can make up mind between OxyMax or OL Assasinate, seem very different - looking fot non stim version.. which one u guys pick to start with??

  21. Quote Originally Posted by 00A View Post
    Can make up mind between OxyMax or OL Assasinate, seem very different - looking fot non stim version.. which one u guys pick to start with??
    look into RADIATE....great deal on it right now!!!
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by 00A View Post
    Can make up mind between OxyMax or OL Assasinate, seem very different - looking fot non stim version.. which one u guys pick to start with??
    OxyMax XT is not stim free, but gives users more of an euphoric feeling than an overly stimmed feeling. Also, OxyMax XT has 50 mg of forksolin which is great for increasing lean mass and reducing body fat, check out the studies above.

    DCP 2.0, Lean Mode, and Abilderate Ammo are good options that are stim free in addition to Assisinate.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by 00A View Post
    Can make up mind between OxyMax or OL Assasinate, seem very different - looking fot non stim version.. which one u guys pick to start with??
    Yeah, those are very different. For one, OxyMax isn't stim-free. Assass1nate is stim-free, and also acts as a GDA. You could actually stack that with OxyMax (or another stimmed burner) if you wanted, but obviously that stack would include stims.
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