Your experience with 7Keto?

[bb333]

What was your experience with 7keto? in that period, did you use? bulk or cut?

 

[justhere4comm]

7-Keto DHEA VII-KT (At least from Iron Legion) is amazing. I just ordered two bottles. It came out to buy one get one, and that was a pleasant surprise. It was on a cut, and I'm going to be using it again because I respond well to it.

7-Keto DHEA
https://examine.com/supplements/7-keto-dhea/

 

[bb333]

I have already visited examine ...
I was looking for feedback in general product 7keto.
Among other things, I have read that can also be used up to 6 months ... even during periods bulk!

Question, there is the risk of too suppress cortisol?

 

[justhere4comm]

I have already visited examine ...
I was looking for feedback in general product 7keto.
Among other things, I have read that can also be used up to 6 months ... even during periods bulk!

Question, there is the risk of too suppress cortisol?

Then, I presented you with validation of what you already knew about 7-keto DHEA. I wouldn't run it constantly, just take breaks every 8 weeks. You wouldn't have to worry about suppressing cortisol as you probably have too much to begin with. You can easily adjust the dose if you experience symptoms of supressed cortisol.

Regular bloods help us all when we are cutting or bulking, and as such we can determine how we metabolize compounds based on our own results. Good luck! I think it's an important supplementation, much like DHEA and Pregnenolone for those like myself whom are aging.

 

[DennisTheDane]

I used Iron Legions and it will shred water..And then fat! But you need a higher dose then recomended

Also i think if im not completey wrong..Take it easy with it..Dont use all the time..If you crush your cortisol then you body will backfire

 

[Tylerclee]

Good anecdotes. Did anyone experience an increase in acne as well?

 

[DennisTheDane]

Good anecdotes. Did anyone experience an increase in acne as well?

Remember tagging... If its me your asking No acne with it.

 

[bb333]

mmm ignit3+sup3r 7keto It should be interesting ...

 

[justhere4comm]

What was your experience with 7keto? in that period, did you use? bulk or cut?

I have already visited examine ...
I was looking for feedback in general product 7keto.
Among other things, I have read that can also be used up to 6 months ... even during periods bulk!

mmm ignit3+sup3r 7keto It should be interesting ...

If you already did your research on examine.com and wanted personal experiences, which I offered, then why are you suddenly bringing up a specific brand name of products? If you were on a cut, why in post one didn't you mention Sup3r 7, and Ignite?

We all could have cut to the chase a bit quicker. (pun)

 

[bb333]

If you already did your research on examine.com and wanted personal experiences, which I offered, then why are you suddenly bringing up a specific brand name of products? If you were on a cut, why in post one didn't you mention Sup3r 7, and Ignite?

We all could have cut to the chase a bit quicker. (pun)

Perhaps because the sup3r 7 contains 7 keto???
I was looking for a judgment on the "compound" in general!

You're probably thinking that I was one Olympus sponsors?

 

[justhere4comm]

Perhaps because the sup3r 7 contains 7 keto???
I was looking for a judgment on the "compound" in general!

You're probably thinking that I was one Olympus sponsors?

Iron Legion's is better all around, and you balked at my introducing it into the discussion. 40% off now, so the VII-KT was a steal. As far as why? I have no idea my man, and I don't like to speculate because it could cause bad feelings, and I don't want that.

Good luck on your cut!
Maybe log it.

 

[bb333]

Iron Legion's is better all around, and you balked at my introducing it into the discussion. 40% off now, so the VII-KT was a steal. As far as why? I have no idea my man, and I don't like to speculate because it could cause bad feelings, and I don't want that.

Good luck on your cut!
Maybe log it.

Mmm, yes, I also like Iron Legion ...
short I try a product, Invictus (already ordered, waiting you get home).
7 keto still has to try for sure!
Ignit3 is assured.

Thanks, sorry but here the translator sometimes wrong, and the topic changes direction.
No problem

 

[justhere4comm]

Invictus is a great product, too bad you didn't stack it with VII-KT.
They go well together!

Ok, good luck to you.

 

[VaughnTrue]

I'm a big fan, but feel it must be dosed high to see any legit results.


My last cycle was 400mg/day

 

[ManimalPatB]

I'm a big fan, but feel it must be dosed high to see any legit results.


My last cycle was 400mg/day

Have to agree with Vaughn here. I LOVE the stuff, but you need a huge dose in order to get any kind of results. Formutechs 7keto is fantastic and it is in a good price range. I usually grab about 4 bottles at a time

 

[210LBS]

I'm a big fan, but feel it must be dosed high to see any legit results.


My last cycle was 400mg/day

Damn thats high. I got 2 bottles of Sup3r-7 was going to dose it at 225mgs per day but maybe I should pick up 2 more bottles.

 

[VaughnTrue]

Damn thats high. I got 2 bottles of Sup3r-7 was going to dose it at 225mgs per day but maybe I should pick up 2 more bottles.

the studies show 200-400mg to be the effective range, but I find that to be a bare minimum TBH. it's not a cheap ingredient to manufacture which is why companies don't offer more.

 

[210LBS]

the studies show 200-400mg to be the effective range, but I find that to be a bare minimum TBH. it's not a cheap ingredient to manufacture which is why companies don't offer more.

I think NOW foods sell fairly cheap 7-keto 60 caps at 100mgs per cap you can get for like $18... Not that bad.

 

[VaughnTrue]

I think NOW foods sell fairly cheap 7-keto 60 caps at 100mgs per cap you can get for like $18... Not that bad.

that price is for 30 capsules

 

[210LBS]

that price is for 30 capsules

Not my source... says 60.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

If the application is acceptable, I would always go trans-dermal over oral. I have an MPA TD 7-Keto product, but haven't used it yet. I do believe you need to time it properly (11-KT as well) if you have a normal circadian cortisol/melatonin cycle - as cortisol does a lot of good.

 

[210LBS]

If the application is acceptable, I would always go trans-dermal over oral. I have an MPA TD 7-Keto product, but haven't used it yet. I do believe you need to time it properly (11-KT as well) if you have a normal circadian cortisol/melatonin cycle - as cortisol does a lot of good.

TD is just sooo annoying but if it's going to make that much of a difference than I would use it. I should have researched this more.

 

[EricMM]

I never felt it did anything for me. Maybe it was the dose but it just doesn't work for me. Not everything is effective though for everyone

 

[The_Old_Guy]

TD is just sooo annoying but if it's going to make that much of a difference than I would use it. I should have researched this more.

I don't know how much of a difference it would make - guess it depends on bio-availability and dosage cost. I always like to avoid the Liver First Pass, but I guess if you get *enough* orally, it's fine. Sort of like 1-Andro: 330mg orally definitely works and is convenient. I just like doing the most'est with the least'est. But then you need to figure cost as well, as TD's are usually more money. I don't know, I was just babbling

 

[210LBS]

I don't know how much of a difference it would make - guess it depends on bio-availability and dosage cost. I always like to avoid the Liver First Pass, but I guess if you get *enough* orally, it's fine. Sort of like 1-Andro: 330mg orally definitely works and is convenient. I just like doing the most'est with the least'est. But then you need to figure cost as well, as TD's are usually more money. I don't know, I was just babbling

Gotcha. I'm using Sustain Alpha and getting used to applying it, so I would opt for a transdermal if there was reason to believe it was superior.

 

[bb333]

I'll do one month (this month) with Invictus!
Next month, I would like to repeat Invictus (forever if I will give results in this trial month) together (stack), with 7 keto!
You say ok? good couple? or the risk of lowering cortisol is high?

This year I'm cutting your calories slowly ...
the thermogenic, Ignit3 of all, I would like to use them towards the end, as the trump card!
So first I would like to try other products.

You tell me about it?

 

[pro45]

Used 7-keto at 25 gr 6x per day, along with nicotine gum and was peeled without muscle loss for my last show winning an OCB overall at age 52. No cardio. Before that, my favorite was VPX' Clenbuterex but I have since developed serious side effects from yohimbe and no longer use any supplement containing yohimbe strains. Close second would be the classic ECA stack, but although I wound up shredded, I lost size and muscle. Not so with 7-Keto.

 

[bb333]

Used 7-keto at 25 gr 6x per day, along with nicotine gum and was peeled without muscle loss for my last show winning an OCB overall at age 52. No cardio. Before that, my favorite was VPX' Clenbuterex but I have since developed serious side effects from yohimbe and no longer use any supplement containing yohimbe strains. Close second would be the classic ECA stack, but although I wound up shredded, I lost size and muscle. Not so with 7-Keto.

What side effects you had with yohimbe?

 

[pro45]

What side effects you had with yohimbe?

A very weird combination of a niacin-type red skin flush, along with the shakes and diarrhea.

 

[bb333]

A very weird combination of a niacin-type red skin flush, along with the shakes and diarrhea.

Ah ok

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

i tried NOW brand long time ago .. and thought it was good.

I did pick up 3 bottles of OL-7 keto to test out ..low dosage with delivery system

 

[bosskardo]

I'm a big fan, but feel it must be dosed high to see any legit results.


My last cycle was 400mg/day

What kind did you use?

 

[Ricky10]

I'm a big fan, but feel it must be dosed high to see any legit results.


My last cycle was 400mg/day

I suspect this dosage is what you recommend for 7-keto without enhanced bioavailability? Just curious as I have 3 bottles of OL Super-7 that I will be busting into at some point.

 

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[The_Old_Guy]

Used 7-keto at 25 gr 6x per day...

Can you clarify that dosing ^ ? Thx!

 

[VaughnTrue]

Can you clarify that dosing ^ ? Thx!

ha, im pretty sure he means 25mg x 6/day = 150mg...


cause if he was taking 150g/day...well hot damn that'd get pricey quick

 

[justhere4comm]

ha, im pretty sure he means 25mg x 6/day = 150mg...
cause if he was taking 150g/day...well hot damn that'd get pricey quick

That makes pretty good sense because the half-life of 7-Keto DHEA is 2.17 hours.
I would take 50mg every two hours 3-4x per day.

 

[pro45]

Can you clarify that dosing ^ ? Thx!

Ha, sorry for the typo! Lol. That's 25 mg 6x per day. Peak week I bumped it to 8x a day.

 

[delsolrob]

That makes pretty good sense because the half-life of 7-Keto DHEA is 2.17 hours.
I would take 50mg every two hours 3-4x per day.

another reason TD is ideal for 7-keto. With Salvo we expect a roughly 6-8 hour slow release of the active ingredient.

 

[gigante35]

To much 7 keto may put on dicky veto. Libido killer!!! Estro killer!!!????

 

[pro45]

another reason TD is ideal for 7-keto. With Salvo we expect a roughly 6-8 hour slow release of the active ingredient.

What's TD and what's Salvo?

 

[3pic_B3ast]

TD= Transdermal
Salvo= Type of transdemal carrier (Made by Iron Legion)

 

[pro45]

TD= Transdermal
Salvo= Type of transdemal carrier

Thanks.. Anyone have any positive feedback with transdermals? As opposed to oral ingestion??

 

[3pic_B3ast]

Thanks.. Anyone have any positive feedback with transdermals? As opposed to oral ingestion??

In MOST cases transdermal should be the more effective form of delivery. Btw Salvo is certainly a top notch transdermal.

 

[delsolrob]

Transdermal is ideal in certain circumstances. For these compounds, here are some benefits of transdermal delivery:

1. avoiding destruction via stomach acid
2. avoiding first pass liver metabolism*
3. slow release - don't need to continually take small doses.

*The first pass effect (also known as first-pass metabolism or presystemic metabolism) is a phenomenon of drug metabolism whereby the concentration of a drug is greatly reduced before it reaches the systemic circulation.

Basically, anything oral has to survive metabolism in the stomach and then the liver before it can reach the body. Transdermals bypass both these roadblocks and may allow for a much more efficient delivery.

 

[bb333]

I suspect this dosage is what you recommend for 7-keto without enhanced bioavailability? Just curious as I have 3 bottles of OL Super-7 that I will be busting into at some point.

You are using OL Siper-7?
feedback?

 

[Tylerclee]

You are using OL Siper-7?
feedback?

I used It but not alone. I had more acne which is a side effect. Shows me that delivery system was good.

 

[bb333]

I used It but not alone. I had more acne which is a side effect. Shows me that delivery system was good.

Your feedback?

 

[Tylerclee]

Your feedback?

Like i said wasn't used alone. But definitely had muscle retention (I was running Sup3r shred as well)

 

[Tylerclee]

Your feedback?

But my acne showed great absorption