One of my favorite ingredients with a variety of uses. I use 600mg/day KSM-66, and take all 600mg at night.
With that in mind, and the COAs and spec sheets I've seen from many sources of bulk ashwagandha, many 1.5% or 2.5% extracts use gravimetry, meaning that their 2.5% may only be ~1%. Due to that, the 1.2g of ashwagandha extract you may be using (1200mg at 2.5% = 30mg withanolides; the same as 600mg/day of a 5% extract) may actually only yield 12mg withanolides, or less than 1/2 of what what you think and/or the studied dose. Due to that, these other extracts may not actually be cheaper than something like KSM-66. Now there are some good quality bulk options as well, but I found that KSM-66 is a great combination of price, convenience, and quality.
Both are high quality with studies confirming their effectiveness. If you know where to look, you can get a month supply of either one (dosed at 30mg/day withanolides) for $7 or less. That's value and convenience (a few caps vs a lot of powder, haha).
I prefer to take ksm in the morning and post workout and sensoril pre bed. KSM seems to make my dreams very vivid to the point of it being exhausting when I wake up.
so, what do you dose? Im interested in this split approach as ash also gives me lethargy in the mornings if i take pre-bed (currently using m-test which includes KSM 66)
Do you think it matters on dosage timing?
AM/PM? - All at once PrWO? - All at once before bed?
With Swanson's, you need to use 3 x 250mg caps to get at least 600mg, correct? Jarrow has 300mg caps and there are deals to be had that may make it cheaper than Swanson's.
Where is that? I presume you are saying you can get this cheap by ordering powder. Have you ever tried self-capping the powder?
I personally don't think it matters, let me check the full text of the studies for you.
That's already capped, from the place with the same last name as Joe from family guy.
Perhaps it could be even better. Also, if it turns out it was not HPLC, he may not have been taking as much actives as he thought, so could get the same dose cheaper from a different source, or more for a similar price.
300mg ksm am 600mg ksm post workout and 375mg sensoril pre bed.
They are 450mg pills at 1.5% or 6.75mg withanolides. I've been taking three a day, so a total of 20.25mg withanolides. A little less than the 30mg I see recommended in this thread.
Ah, OK - I only remember the 250mg KSM house brand, NM ?
Lots of perhaps...OP probably can answer most of these otherwise we're just speculating as to the relative quality and merit/demerits of bulk ash/extracts vs KSM 66 on cost and quality. I suspect without testing it remains a speculationI personally don't think it matters, let me check the full text of the studies for you.
That's already capped, from the place with the same last name as Joe from family guy.
Jarrow for KSM-66 and their house brand for Sensoril.
Perhaps it could be even better. Also, if it turns out it was not HPLC, he may not have been taking as much actives as he thought, so could get the same dose cheaper from a different source, or more for a similar price.
Plenty of ash. I may try splitting between km 66 and sensoril but perhaps not those quantities. Definitely wont be buying anymore 'testboosters' with ash in there as it's going to curtail when/how much i take. From now on if i want ash Ill buy separately as this will give me more flexibility in my dosing without having to cut back as well on other ingredients in the test booster eg LJ
It may be worth noting that higher doses of ashwagandha (I've seen 100mg/day withanolides used) have been effective and well tolerated in studies, so while you may not want or need extra ashwagandha, it likely isn't going to be harmful/detrimental.
interesting, never head of ppl dosing KSM post workout, but I guess its good for cortisol control right after aight?
How much of an increase in T if I may ask?
I am not being rhetorical, but is it supposed to be dosed pre? I have often wondered but have never checked on it. I guess I always figured it would calm me too much during the training session and that it would better be utilized before bed lol.
I literally found mine for a dollar a bottle at a thrift store. That's the only reason I am dosing as such.
Question is do the studies indicate a straight line relationship between dosage and benefits? If not whats the point. Also not aware of any long term safety studies on large dosages.i tend to err on the side of caution and i believe, so do you?
I don't think I would consume anything bought from a thrift store.. lol
lol. It's still sealed They are just shelf pulls from cvs, walgreens, etc. Sometimes some pretty good stuff is found such as Jarrows, Cellucor, etc products.
What I mean is that you don't have to inherently avoid any and all products that have ashwagandha in them because you're using standalone ashwagandha. Granted, you don't need more, and you could find products without it if you so choose. Ashwagandha has a very, very long record of safe historical use, human studies have used larger doses, and, if I recall, animal studies found extracts like KSM-66 go have a very nice safety profile well above doses that humans would really ever use; it may actually even be safer to consume 30-100mg/day withanolides from something like KSM-66 or Sensoril than from just ground ashwagandha powder for example.
That's a phenomenal deal, I'm going to pick some of that up.
Does anyone know about this? I'm interested as well. A lot of extracts out there that are like 15:1, 20:1 etc but nothing about withanolides content.I just bought ashwagandha extract and it's a 15:1 extract in a 400mg pill which means it's about 6g of powder what I don't understand is that it doesn't say anything about withanolides...
I've seen one study say:
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2015/284154/
Yeah that's true thanks man!
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