Angle Dust Homeade Preworkout

[ToraNutrition]

Hello I thought I should make a post to ensure I am on the right track with my home made pre workout made with bulk supps.
The ingredients :
Creatine Mono - 1.5g
L tyrosine - 1g
Choline - 1g
B12 - 1/16tsp
Galangal extract - 750mg


Where it could get complicated : might just take these on their own :

Dendrobium extract - ?
DMBA HCL - 150mg
Pure Hordenine HCL - 50mg
Pure Phenylalanine (PEA)- 500mg
Betanine Anhydrous- 1.5g
Cayenne pepper extract for adrenaline secretion - 500mg

Will add L - Citrulline - 2g

What's it looking like?
Also read that THC intensifies PEA 4x

 

[shockrock3]

Dendrobium extract - ? You are not going to find the magical one...they sell dendrobium extract, just not the good one (actually...you can find it, a few Chinese companies sell it)

DMBA HCL - 150mg Just curious...where are you going to find AMP Citrate in bulk?

Everything else is easy....you'll just be missing the 2 best ingredients

 

[ToraNutrition]

Have a Uk connect they have 40% cocoa, bitter orange, dendrobium extract 50:1, amp citrate, dmba hcl even cholera

 

[ToraNutrition]

Dendrobium extract - ? You are not going to find the magical one...they sell dendrobium extract, just not the good one (actually...you can find it, a few Chinese companies sell it)

DMBA HCL - 150mg Just curious...where are you going to find AMP Citrate in bulk?

Everything else is easy....you'll just be missing the 2 best ingredients

Also, do you mean I should take it all or just the second half I listed

 

[Robert5891]

Hello I thought I should make a post to ensure I am on the right track with my home made pre workout made with bulk supps.
The ingredients :
Creatine Mono - 1.5g
L tyrosine - 1g
Choline - 1g
B12 - 1/16tsp
Galangal extract - 750mg


Where it could get complicated : might just take these on their own :

Dendrobium extract - ?
DMBA HCL - 150mg
Pure Hordenine HCL - 50mg
Pure Phenylalanine (PEA)- 500mg
Betanine Anhydrous- 1.5g
Cayenne pepper extract for adrenaline secretion - 500mg

Will add L - Citrulline - 2g

What's it looking like?
Also read that THC intensifies PEA 4x

Up creative to 5g for starters. Hordenine will help the effects of PEA last longer.

Didn't see any caffeine listed, is that intentional?

 

[ToraNutrition]

Up creative to 5g for starters. Hordenine will help the effects of PEA last longer.

Didn't see any caffeine listed, is that intentional?

Figured the stim of dmba HCL would be a big enough energy boost for me, caffeine would have me to wired

 

[ToraNutrition]

I take creatine aside from me pwo and it's my understanding that the PEA is not activated without something like Hordenine and beta alanine TMG

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Unlike all the "man, if only cocaine were legal" newer stimulants, Caffeine actually has like 10 Bazillion studies showing actual performance increases - with Coffee as the best way to get it.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Unlike all the "man, if only cocaine were legal" newer stimulants, Caffeine actually has like 10 Bazillion studies showing actual performance increases - with Coffee as the best way to get it.

This. I don't really understand using only new/novel stimulants and forgoing good old caffeine, which we know is pretty damn safe, dirt cheap, and also effective. It's one thing to add something to your caffeine/coffee for a little extra kick, but I think it only makes sense to have caffeine as the base or backbone of your stimulants.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Have a Uk connect they have 40% cocoa, bitter orange, dendrobium extract 50:1, amp citrate, dmba hcl even cholera

 

[ToraNutrition]

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Caffeine does not work well with me, gives me a headache and makes me jittery almost twitchy, I do respond well to heavy stims like the old jack3d and the old craze specifically, full time student, full time job+ the heavy stims don't seem like much when I go to workout.

We'all see about the dendrobium, what else would it be? It's what it's stacked with that changes the composition

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Caffeine does not work well with me, gives me a headache and makes me jittery almost twitchy, I do respond well to heavy stims like the old jack3d and the old craze specifically, full time student, full time job+ the heavy stims don't seem like much when I go to workout.

We'all see about the dendrobium, what else would it be? It's what it's stacked with that changes the composition

Did you respond well to the actual products like the old Jack3d and Craze, because they both had caffeine in them? Have you tried taking a little theanine with your caffeine? Also, you do know that it wasn't actually the dendrobium extract in Craze that made it "work," right?

 

[ToraNutrition]

Did you respond well to the actual products like the old Jack3d and Craze, because they both had caffeine in them? Have you tried taking a little theanine with your caffeine? Also, you do know that it wasn't actually the dendrobium extract in Craze that made it "work," right?

I've tried many caffienes and jacked worked because dmaa was in it and craze worked beacuase they methylated the phenylethlamine by Using other chemicals to form a new compound and what I listed should do a similar process

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I've tried many caffienes and jacked worked because dmaa was in it and craze worked beacuase they methylated the phenylethlamine by Using other chemicals to form a new compound and what I listed should do a similar process

What I'm saying is that you said caffeine "gives me a headache and makes me jittery almost twitchy," but apparently you don't have these issues when using supplements that contain caffeine AND more potent stimulants? Go ahead and use the dendrobium if you want, but it's not going to provide the same feeling/effects as Craze did.

 

[ToraNutrition]

What I'm saying is that you said caffeine "gives me a headache and makes me jittery almost twitchy," but apparently you don't have these issues when using supplements that contain caffeine AND more potent stimulants? Go ahead and use the dendrobium if you want, but it's not going to provide the same feeling/effects as Craze did.

They have small amounts of caffeine and it's more of an experiment as long as the DMBA is real it won't disappoint

 

[muscleupcrohn]

They have small amounts of caffeine and it's more of an experiment as long as the DMBA is real it won't disappoint

Yeah, the DMBA will be nice, but don't expect Craze-level effects, and you can pass on the dendrobium IMO.

 

[ToraNutrition]

Yeah, the DMBA will be nice, but don't expect Craze-level effects, and you can pass on the dendrobium IMO.

Yeah, the DMBA will be nice, but don't expect Craze-level effects, and you can pass on the dendrobium IMO.

yeah it was something I was going to eventually add in but I probably won't need it. It's the betanine , Hordenine, phenlyethlamine
Combo that should make a sweet compound

 

[Robert5891]

yeah it was something I was going to eventually add in but I probably won't need it. It's the betanine , Hordenine, phenlyethlamine
Combo that should make a sweet compound

I don't think betaine is going to do much of anything from a stim standpoint

Hordenine will prolong the effects of PEA though

 

[ToraNutrition]

I don't think betaine is going to do much of anything from a stim standpoint

Hordenine will prolong the effects of PEA though

Wasn't planning on it, just wanted to make sure it would work well instead of do harm in the stack because I like the effects of it and

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Go ahead and use the dendrobium if you want, but it's not going to provide the same feeling/effects as Craze did.

Yeah, no kidding brah - nothing like the high you get off of N,α-diethyl-phenylethylamine (N,α-DEPEA)

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/dta.1578/full

 

[Robert5891]

Wasn't planning on it, just wanted to make sure it would work well instead of do harm in the stack because I like the effects of it and

What effect are you taking about from betaine? You don't feel any acute effects from it

 

[ToraNutrition]

What effect are you taking about from betaine? You don't feel any acute effects from it

I seem to have surges of hunger throughout the day forcing me to eat more especially after workouts

 

[Robert5891]

I seem to have surges of hunger throughout the day forcing me to eat more especially after workouts

That's not from betaine...

 

[ToraNutrition]

That's not from betaine...

I mean who are you to say how something affects my body, betanine is used for more intense focused training sessions at the gym how could that not stimulate more hunger through the day, I'm not trying to say betanine makes you hungry, it is just one thing I noticed thats amplified when using it

 

[shockrock3]

Yeah, no kidding brah - nothing like the high you get off of N,α-diethyl-phenylethylamine (N,α-DEPEA)

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/dta.1578/full

I just shed a tear.....:disappointed:

 

[mbonheur]

If you get the AMP Citrate from our friend in Blackburn, it is pretty decent stuff

 

[619sss]

Can you tell me what well you do with the taste?


I made one, hydromax 5g, 5g Creatine, 2g carntine, 5g bcaa (this tasted the worse), agmatine 1g, caffeine 200mg, and some others. + -

Maybe 70g maltodextrin and 30g dextrose for the taste, what do you think?

 

[mbonheur]

Buy flavored Bcaa, it is not that expensive.

Otherwise, there are zero calorie drops, syrups, etc.

 

[ToraNutrition]

Can you tell me what well you do with the taste?


I made one, hydromax 5g, 5g Creatine, 2g carntine, 5g bcaa (this tasted the worse), agmatine 1g, caffeine 200mg, and some others. + -

Maybe 70g maltodextrin and 30g dextrose for the taste, what do you think?

There are sweeteners that you can buy that are over 100x sweeter than sugar, also if you're not worried about sugar, Gatorade gives the best flavor, also if you're going to have bcaas might as well use a flavored one. Try naturesflavors . com very strong flavoring this is what I use the lemon lime tastes great

 

[ToraNutrition]

If you get the AMP Citrate from our friend in Blackburn, it is pretty decent stuff

DMBA HCL on the way from there coming in on Feb 2 can't wait ?

 

[Volvo140G]

Yeah, no kidding brah - nothing like the high you get off of N,α-diethyl-phenylethylamine (N,α-DEPEA)

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/dta.1578/full

Lotta interesting reading contained inside that link

 

[ToraNutrition]

Just took 150mg of DMBA HCL 1.5g citrulline 3G of creatine and 1.5g of beta alinine TMG and it was sweeet similar to Old jacked But no crash and i was feeling very relaxed and felt great after my workout

 

[Trillxalex]

Very late on this. But take out betaine and add 200 mg of eria jarensis, and 200 mg of DMHA. Also higenamine will increase noreadrenaline and norepinephrine so you can add that

 

[ToraNutrition]

I was very naive about the science behind pre workout supplements but have since done loads of research and I'm too lazy to make my own. With that being said, I am mainly looking for 4+g of citrulline Malate a solid caffeine matrix, tyrosine, and a strong stimulant base preferably with a nootropic stim. I have found Innovapharm LIMITLESS and T6 Stimulant 1 to be my current favorites. T6 VERY similar to old craze feel

 

[Trillxalex]

Its not that similar, trust me. The reason craze was so good was because it had a meth analog known as N-a-DEPEA. If you want a crazy strong pre that gives you motivation for hours and very good focus, Defiant unleashed is great. My favorite focus nootropic combo is Cdp choline, noopept, and huperzine A. Btw 4 grams of citrulline malate wont do anything. When you add malate, it takes off half. You want 6-8 grams of pure cirtulline. I'd advise you to buy some Vaso6, 300 mg of it stomps on citrulline, hydromax,agmatine combined

 

[Trillxalex]

If you want to be extremely angry, focused, energized, and spikes of euphoria I recommened "Pre stack extreme" i can link it if you want. For insane euphoria that lasts for hours, Go with Arez titanium or Arez Mega. For just motivation and energy with slight euphoria go with Defiant unleashed. Those are all the best pres out rn

 

[ToraNutrition]

I mean I know my body pretty well and 4g of citrulline is typically all I need I've taken it as a standalone to know the dosing, although 6-8 grams is a common dose... T6 does have a PEA mix to it and does create a similar effect to craze for me those pre workouts I listed are my favorites at the moment and I don't plan on changing them until the effects begin to ware off, then I'll give that unleashed a try