Best nattys supps gains vs sarms gains ?

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  1. TDEE 2700Kcals , Don't worry about Diet I have a diploma in nutrition of sports. Macros , 40% Carbs 30%Protein and 30% Fat
    3000-3100Kcals for bulk.
    For cutting it depends going from 2400-1900Kcals starting with 35%carbs to 25%. Protein 180g/daily
    You didn't understand I add 5lbs evrey two weeks three weeks is because I can't just add weight every week ,
    For example 3x5 of bench press : first week I can do 5 heavy reps , next week maybe I feel I can't do more than the weight I used last time for a solid 5 reps , if not I do the first set like last week then add weight on the second third set. I want to keep things not complicated.
    I think you didn't understand what I meant with bad results. I have results but I can't go beyond it I'm 5ft11 187lbs 15% , my best was 185lbs 11%.
    I want that next level : next level is a great physique maybe like jeff seid not too big but good overall physique for example ( just an example).


  2. I made some calculations for price :
    Massmax xt+ Tr1umph+ ARA+ ABE for 8 weeks = about $370
    LGD + Ar1macre + SERM + ALPHAMAX 8 weeks cycle + 4 weeks pct = about $180

    That's just for information not pointing I should use one over one just regarding price
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  3. Best nattys supps gains vs sarms gains ?


    Not sure where you are getting your LGD, I normally see it priced more towards the 100 range and SERMS around 60 ish

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Rishy View Post
    I made some calculations for price :
    Massmax xt+ Tr1umph+ ARA+ ABE for 8 weeks = about $370
    LGD + Ar1macre + SERM + ALPHAMAX 8 weeks cycle + 4 weeks pct = about $180

    That's just for information not pointing I should use one over one just regarding price
    You could turn option 1 into 16 week run easily, and overlap the MassMax XT and ABE with your ArA and Tr1umph.
    1-4 MassMax XT
    4-8 MassMax XT and ArA plus Tr1umph
    8-12 ABE ArA plus Tr1umph
    12-16 ABE

    Something like that if you want to stack. Powermax XT can be used as your ergogenic when nit using Tr1umph, if you want some variety.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post
    You could turn option 1 into 16 week run easily, and overlap the MassMax XT and ABE with your ArA and Tr1umph.
    1-4 MassMax XT
    4-8 MassMax XT and ArA plus Tr1umph
    8-12 ABE ArA plus Tr1umph
    12-16 ABE

    Something like that if you want to stack. Powermax XT can be used as your ergogenic when nit using Tr1umph, if you want some variety.
    In term of efficacy is it one of the best? expecting noticeable things over the 16weeks
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Rishy View Post
    In term of efficacy is it one of the best? expecting noticeable things over the 16weeks
    Well, I have not ran MassMax XT yet, however all of our intial loggers had success with it. ArA and ABE are great natty products, and Tr1umph is nice as well. I would say it's a great stack.

    Like others stated though, at 21 you should be making killer gains already. I'll trade you a natty stack, you send me your 21yo test level lol.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Rishy View Post
    In term of efficacy is it one of the best? expecting noticeable things over the 16weeks
    Yes, definitely.
    To improve it, run Tr1umph for the 16 weeks. It has creatine, which should be present for the whole period

  8. SARMs are garbage for muscle-building, and do not work out favorably on price, results, or side effects compared to mild prohormones.

    If you're gonna go that route, buy some Sup3r-1 from OlympusUK and enjoy your cheaper more effective product.

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    I'd also advise you to stick to being natty for now, you've almost certainly got more room to grow without taking a PH or SARM.

    Possibly give ARA such as our SNS X-gels product a look.
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  9. Hey, and add HMB. It is quite cheap in bulk.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    SARMs are garbage for muscle-building, and do not work out favorably on price, results, or side effects compared to mild prohormones.

    If you're gonna go that route, buy some Sup3r-1 from OlympusUK and enjoy your cheaper more effective product.

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    I'd also advise you to stick to being natty for now, you've almost certainly got more room to grow without taking a PH or SARM.

    Possibly give ARA such as our SNS X-gels product a look.
    I don't think it is fair to say that SARMs are garbage. As long as they are legit, it is a fairly close split between those who think the Andros are worthless to those who may say SARMs are worthless. I so happen to respond well to just about everything. My androgen receptors don't discriminate..they let everyone in for the party!

    To OP. I don't think you should run ARA again as you already have done so and you were not so thrilled. You should go into this with a positive attitude and excited to try different products. I think you mentioned getting FD2 and MassMax? Choose one or the other as that would be way too much (-)epi. Triumph sounds like a good call as others suggested and then you should possibly go with the MassMax XT as it will give you full doses of a variety of natural anabolics so you really can't lose. I know nobody had tried it aside from beta testers but that is kind of even more exciting and motivating! Back to the MK-677, I would definitely stay away from that since you state that you are prone to weight gain that is not lean mass when in a caloric surplus. The chances of you getting discouraged with MK are very high.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Rishy View Post
    I made some calculations for price :
    Massmax xt+ Tr1umph+ ARA+ ABE for 8 weeks = about $370
    LGD + Ar1macre + SERM + ALPHAMAX 8 weeks cycle + 4 weeks pct = about $180

    That's just for information not pointing I should use one over one just regarding price
    I'm not encouraging you to take Sarms or PH, but heck, from the sounds of your post it seems like that is the direction you are heading. If you are going to do it you might as well get the best gains possible. Stack Andro1&4 for 8-weeks. Eat 500 over maintenance and you should put on 10+ lbs very easily.

    I'm personally not a fan of Sarms because no one knows what the long term affects of them are, only the short term, and that is not 100% conclusive. This is an overlooked point on majority of the threads on AM.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Ricky10 View Post
    I don't think it is fair to say that SARMs are garbage. As long as they are legit, it is a fairly close split between those who think the Andros are worthless to those who may say SARMs are worthless. I so happen to respond well to just about everything. My androgen receptors don't discriminate..they let everyone in for the party!

    To OP. I don't think you should run ARA again as you already have done so and you were not so thrilled. You should go into this with a positive attitude and excited to try different products. I think you mentioned getting FD2 and MassMax? Choose one or the other as that would be way too much (-)epi. Triumph sounds like a good call as others suggested and then you should possibly go with the MassMax XT as it will give you full doses of a variety of natural anabolics so you really can't lose. I know nobody had tried it aside from beta testers but that is kind of even more exciting and motivating! Back to the MK-677, I would definitely stay away from that since you state that you are prone to weight gain that is not lean mass when in a caloric surplus. The chances of you getting discouraged with MK are very high.

    Study data pretty clearly demonstrates which is better.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    Study data pretty clearly demonstrates which is better.
    Is there study data on LGD where the subjects were regular resistance trainees; or, study data on 1-dhea where the subjects were aged and sedentary?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Joe12 View Post
    I'm not encouraging you to take Sarms or PH, but heck, from the sounds of your post it seems like that is the direction you are heading. If you are going to do it you might as well get the best gains possible. Stack Andro1&4 for 8-weeks. Eat 500 over maintenance and you should put on 10+ lbs very easily.

    I'm personally not a fan of Sarms because no one knows what the long term affects of them are, only the short term, and that is not 100% conclusive. This is an overlooked point on majority of the threads on AM.
    Lol , you knew it , I'm still not convinced about the natty thing , I want to but I feel like I will waste more. But I'm not sure if 1/4andro is the best choice for me because , one member of my family took em together and after 4 weeks he got weaker, tired all the time and rash in some areas of the body. He went to dr and put him on cortisol , later he went a specialist he told him he have to stop taking andros because , the body recognize it as an danger , and if he continue to take andros based he might face death . He did bloodwork he got high ferritin and liver enzymes.
    I'm afraid that will happen to me too.
    Btw Will one cycle will hurt in the long term? Or repetitive cycles do?

  15. Lol you wont do just one cycle. What typically happens is the newb realises at some point, either during their cycle or after that, hey, this wasnt as bad (or good) as I thought it was gonna be. And so you do more cycles.

    Its like anything that has scary prejudices attached to it. Once you actually try it you realise its really not that scary.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Nac View Post
    Lol you wont do just one cycle. What typically happens is the newb realises at some point, either during their cycle or after that, hey, this wasnt as bad (or good) as I thought it was gonna be. And so you do more cycles.

    Its like anything that has scary prejudices attached to it. Once you actually try it you realise its really not that scary.
    Yes that what I discovered from others but I think with the power of will I can even reduce the amount , from wich cycle things start to go badly?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Rishy View Post
    Yes that what I discovered from others but I think with the power of will I can even reduce the amount , from wich cycle things start to go badly?
    Sorry to be pessimistic but if you lack the will-power to refrain from doing a first cycle at all, then...

  18. yes I got it , so wich cycle things start to go badlly?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Rishy View Post
    Lol , you knew it , I'm still not convinced about the natty thing , I want to but I feel like I will waste more. But I'm not sure if 1/4andro is the best choice for me because , one member of my family took em together and after 4 weeks he got weaker, tired all the time and rash in some areas of the body. He went to dr and put him on cortisol , later he went a specialist he told him he have to stop taking andros because , the body recognize it as an danger , and if he continue to take andros based he might face death . He did bloodwork he got high ferritin and liver enzymes.
    I'm afraid that will happen to me too.
    Btw Will one cycle will hurt in the long term? Or repetitive cycles do?
    Dang, that really suck for your family member. Wonder how much he was taking and if he was using on-cycle. 1&4 are non-mentholated, so they should not spike your liver enzymes. But heck, anything is possible when taking compounds. If there is something in your family line that just rejects them, you would might want to avoid them. Or if you go that route, get blood ran before, in the middle, and after the run to see where you are.

  20. He was using the ones from olympus labs 3caps daily each one with ar1macare. The Dr said that the body rejects it as something toxic doesn't know what to do with. About results he got weaker because liver was not functioning the right way. I prefer to use something else if possible.
    To know it didn't work , he didn't use any serm just super pct , done blood for test find no supression. The day after stopping andros he was feeling much better.

  21. any alternatives?
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