Topic of the Week - What's the best fat burner supplement of all time and why?
- 01-15-2017, 08:50 PM
- 01-16-2017, 02:40 AM
01-16-2017, 12:19 PM
I have still not found anything as effective as the original OEP. I don't see why the don't bring it back now that 1,3 is no longer an issue. Please don't refer me to Hi-Tech's clone...been there and it was not even close.
01-16-2017, 12:26 PM
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01-24-2017, 01:30 AM
01-24-2017, 04:23 AM
plus, it has a myriad of other benefits...it's an amazing product!
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01-24-2017, 04:58 AM
01-24-2017, 06:59 AM
01-24-2017, 07:53 AM
A good read is if u Google "The making of a great fat burner" its on BB.c0m site. Very informative on 1R,2S.
LG put out a product with the same name...don't be fooled, it's 1R,2S Noreferine, not the same. Does penetrate the blood/brain barrier like big brother...not even close.
There are a few chemical company's that make/sell it lol.
01-24-2017, 08:30 AM
Cortisol mobilizes fatty acids:
Djurhuus CB, Gravholt CH, Nielsen S, Mengel A, Christiansen JS, Schmitz OE, Møller N (July 2002). "Effects of cortisol on lipolysis and regional interstitial glycerol levels in humans". American Journal of Physiology. Endocrinology and Metabolism. 283 (1): E172–7."Cortisol a fat solvent? What are you talking about?"
I know, for those of you for whom this is the first visit to the SuppVersity after years of being bamboozled by conventional wisdom, it will probably sound crazy to call cortisol, "the fattening hormone" that's to blame for your belly and your skinny arms - a "fat solvent". So let's briefly take a look at what cortisol actually does:
#1 Cortisol is a profound anti-inflammatory. It does not cause inflammation, but rises in response to inflammation (the downside obviously are it's immuno-supressive effects).
#2 Cortisol is a glucocorticoid and makes sure that there is alway enough glucose floating around in your system by (a) digging into the fat and protein stores of your body to fuel your acute energy demands and (b) decreasing insulin release and sensitivity to spare glucose (Andrews. 1999).
While those of you who have already been "on" a cortisol inhibitor may have felt the negative sides of function #1 in their joints, few people acknowledge that the inhibition of cortisol and it's ability to increase the lypolytic rate (=release of fat) in adipocytes by 50% and more (Djurhuus. 2002; Cambell. 2011) could actually hamper, not accelerate weight loss while you are dieting.
There is no debating: Cortisol can be a mean bitch, but...
Now, the last four words of the previous paragraph are in fact what's making all the difference here. As long as you give your body the chance to actually burn off the fat that's getting pushed out of the fat cells by cortisol, the effects cortisol has on adipogenesis are nothing to be afraid of (Campbell. 2011). In the unfortunate case you are constantly stressed, overeating and chronically inflamed, however, the chronically elevated cortisol + insulin levels will however create a "perfect" obesogenic storm.
01-24-2017, 11:08 AM
That is certainly interesting to consider. I have read elsewhere (can't remember where) that this is where b-AET is unique in that it does not suppress cortisol, despite what the Invictus write up indicates. The benefits of b-AET are said to offset the side effects of elevated cortisol while actually keeping cortisol levels intact. Not sure how accurate this is though.
01-24-2017, 04:44 PM
I am suscribing to this thread given that I am interested on the topic. Have lost 18kg roughly in the last 3 months (despite of the Christmas break!!!) with support first of Lipo 6 Black UC (no Yohimbine) and Ignit3 later. This latest one seems to clearly have given me much better results, although hard to say how much I might have lost without any fat burner. Definitely Ignit3 is a good product that delivers. Have also tried the Bloodshr3d RAW and clearly the energy bost kick in is much much faster and I think has a better appetite supresion effect. Nevertheless I think I read somewhere that Ignit3 is better for fat loss.
So, now is timing to make a new order...should I go again for the same product or is there something better? And if I do Ignit3 again should I stake with F95 as I read in a few places or not recommended?
EC is regretfully not an option for me as buying any E where I live is not possible.
Thanks for your help and ideas!!
01-25-2017, 11:51 AM
01-25-2017, 11:53 AM
Not a "supplement" anymore, but easily obtainable OTC, so Bronkaid + a stim-based fat burner or pre, for me (in the top spot). I enjoy a Bronkaid tab (25mg) prior to some workouts with a pre, but always pre-basketball. I incorporate cardio into all of my training sessions unless pressed for time (sprinting the stairs, speed-walking a lap (1/10th mile) on the track between each main set except for burnouts at the end of lifts), but on my dedicated cardio (which is basically just 2+ hours of basketball when I get the chance), this is my supplementation routine:
1 hour pre: CardioTryx
20-15 minutes pre: 1 scoop Max Reps + 3g beta alanine (I take this daily; just dose it here for simplicity's sake) + 1 cap Bronkaid (25mg) + 200mg caffeine or a Monster Ultra Zero + 500mg COP + 1 cap AlphaBurn + 3 caps Cardarine (15mg)
Intra: 2 scoops Xtend Perform + 5g taurine
In terms of endurance and fat loss over time, that is a wonderful stack. A lot, I know, but I take my training pretty seriously as far as being competitive and competing at a high level goes (I'm 31 and love outrunning kids 10 years younger and 70 pounds lighter than me).
Loved OG Alphamine in the AM's at work to sip on throughout the day for energy and fat loss. Big fan of Epitome. Love BRITE and DCP (looking forward to running the new version a bit longer; have only used 2 bottles of it so far).
01-26-2017, 05:59 PM
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01-29-2017, 08:34 AM
01-29-2017, 09:10 AM
01-29-2017, 09:13 AM
01-29-2017, 09:29 AM
01-29-2017, 09:55 AM
Any reason you are not including Ignit3 and/or Bloodshr3d in the list? Mostlt interested if you tried them and have a comparison point. If not tried then, of course, all good!
01-29-2017, 09:56 AM
01-29-2017, 10:09 AM
To me, it's best described as something that keeps your LBM/body fat ratio at it's current state and prevents it from changing in a negative way. People are expecting way too much from natty supplements (especially forskolin I guess because it's sometimes compared to Anavar), or like most members on here, they probably have lousy training/diet habits and want the supplement to do everything for them. Not to mention, it is not actually a fat burner from what I've noticed. I've done 1000 kcal deficits for 4-6 weeks and come out on top with forskolin supplementation, so take that anecdote for what its worth.
01-29-2017, 11:40 AM
Oxymax XT I was given a few samples of and I can't speak to fat loss from 2-3 days of use, but it DID certainly give me an improved mood, decreased hunger and mild stimulant effects. Very mild stim. Which I think is perfect. For those factors I would run Oxy again in a heart beat and if I had funds on hand, I would definitely incorporate it more.
As for Forskolin, MA70 hit the nail on the head again. There are very few ingredients I would say absolutely work - but almost all of those ingredients won't show much difference in short time frames (less than 3 months). People expect too much from supplements. Same goes for green tea - lots of data, it works, but fat isn't going to fall off just because you take it.
I have dosed 200 mg/day of Forskolin with high doses of 7-Keto and seen tremendous results that surprised me...But I've also done it at other times and felt it did little. Again, I think it gets back to individual situations and which pathways need work at a particular time in your life/journey. Something that works today may not do much tomorrow when you have that pathway back to being healthy, or vice versa.
01-29-2017, 11:58 AM
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