Yeah, the emergency scheduling was shady as F but classifying it schedule 1 is insane to me. Its nothing even remotely like Heroin or Cocaine.It will still be banned im sure . The Congressmen that stood against it being banned weren't really opposed to Kratom itself being banned , just the procedure the DEA was using to ban it . They were clearly overstepping in the way they did it and opened the door for more overstepping. IMO Kratom has NO business ever being sold as a supp...it is a drug plain and simple
Good question that I cannot answer. I do know they do have a bit in stock still with the kratom though and last I knew I heard firsthand info that they were going to reformulate the next batch, however I do not know if this will change now? I will keep you guys posted as this info becomes available.Great! Going to stock up on some Dream n Grow. Will they keep the Kratom in I wonder?
I would also be interested in a good kind to try as I have never used Kratom myself and now I want toI think you want to ask some of the Kratom experts on here for strains and dosaging. I do not claim to be one at all. heavyiron would someone who can dial you in, and Im sure many others-
What was the dose? I'd say try about 5 g for the first timeWhat exactly am I supposed to feel on this. I tried it last night for the first time and I felt literally nothing. I had some brand that was sold at a head shop but I literally felt nothing from it.
how does a naturally occurring plant become labeled as a drug to you? genuinely curious as to why you feel this wayIt will still be banned im sure . The Congressmen that stood against it being banned weren't really opposed to Kratom itself being banned , just the procedure the DEA was using to ban it . They were clearly overstepping in the way they did it and opened the door for more overstepping. IMO Kratom has NO business ever being sold as a supp...it is a drug plain and simple
Just because its naturally occurrung does not mean it should be a supplement. ESPECIALLY when the majority are using it to abuse it.how does a naturally occurring plant become labeled as a drug to you? genuinely curious as to why you feel this way
just because something has certain properties doesnt make it a drug, and there have been numerous studies/statistics out there showing abuse is the least common usage for the plant. alcohol is abused, and is legal, as are cigarettes...are you saying ANYTHING than "can" be abused should be deemed a drug and made illegal?Just because its naturally occurrung does not mean it should be a supplement. ESPECIALLY when the majority are using it to abuse it.
I think someone already posted that kratom had changed their life...if an opiate like product changes someone life then they have bigger problems than they think
This ingred has no business in the supplement industry and you know it. This is a product that will before its over cast a cloud of the industry before its over. It should and will be banned no doubt about it...i think they will just use the right avenues next time but there is no way its ever going to stay legal as a supplement
Let me ask you this VT. When your kids are teenagers do you want Kratom to be readily available?? (What how you answer i may call child protective services on you. )not being able to be sold as a dietary supplement and being deemed a drug and made illegal are two very separate things IMO.
That said, until DSHEA is re-written, Kratom absolutely should be able to be sold as a dietary supplement as it perfectly fits the classification of one.
Full text: https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2016-24659.pdfWithdrawal of Notice of Intent; Solicitation of Comments.
SUMMARY: On August 31, 2016, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)
published in the Federal Register a notice of intent to temporarily place mitragynine and
7-hydroxymitragynine, which are the main psychoactive constituents of the plant
Mitragyna speciosa, also referred to as kratom, into schedule I pursuant to the temporary
scheduling provisions of the Controlled Substances Act.
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2016 notice of intent; and soliciting comments from the public regarding the scheduling
of mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine under the Controlled Substances Act.
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Yes, I do. I want my children to grow up in a country where their freedoms are protected. Freedom to make the right choices, and freedom to make the wrong choices, same as I was given.Let me ask you this VT. When your kids are teenagers do you want Kratom to be readily available?? (What how you answer i may call child protective services on you. )
It's basically why prohormones were banned... well that and baseball. haha. Such ridiculousness that could be the downfall of the supplement industry if people don't step up.Oh, you can be dang sure you'll see "protect the children" in the future. That, and BS "terrorism" are the biggest brain washing techniques used to rush legislation through the system.
I still say if this wasn't an election year, Mile High would be out of business right now. Stock up kilos of this stuff - I predict it will be sitting next to old stock of Ripped Fuel by 2018.It's basically why prohormones were banned... well that and baseball. haha. Such ridiculousness that could be the downfall of the supplement industry if people don't step up.
Your forgot tanning beds in New Jersey....Yes, I do. I want my children to grow up in a country where their freedoms are protected. Freedom to make the right choices, and freedom to make the wrong choices, same as I was given.
If you want to ban Kratom solely on the fact that it CAN be abused, we also have to ban alcohol, cigarettes, medicinal drugs, nitrous oxide propellant, pure oxygen, gasoline, and on and on and on and on.
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