Bulk ingredient powders

[Tylerclee]

Alright alright, I really like trying new supplements and using ones that work for me. Having said that, I ran into a bump in the road and now I'm broke af. I'll be ordering bulk ingredient powders, and making my own supplements for many different occasions. I'll be continuously revisiting and reposting in this thread for opinions, and input. Hopefully this will help others as well that would like to do the same.
I'm using mostly powder city website.
So first question is about pre workout stims, which do you like and why?

 

[AntM1564]

Caffeine tab are dirt cheap. Some people enjoy DMAA, which I think you can get in bulk, but I could b wrong. Also, look for some nootropics. The caffeine will work well with those, improving focus and mood. I personally like Tyrosine and some form of Choline (Alpha GPC, but that can be a little pricey). I would also include Huperzine A from SNS, it is very cheap. I also enjoy Eria Jarensis, but do not think it is around the bulk sites.

 

[Tylerclee]

Eria jarensis would be nice. I have caffeine tabs that I used for eca stack, but tabs don't seem to work as well as powder.

 

[Tylerclee]

Caffeine tab are dirt cheap. Some people enjoy DMAA, which I think you can get in bulk, but I could b wrong. Also, look for some nootropics. The caffeine will work well with those, improving focus and mood. I personally like Tyrosine and some form of Choline (Alpha GPC, but that can be a little pricey). I would also include Huperzine A from SNS, it is very cheap. I also enjoy Eria Jarensis, but do not think it is around the bulk sites.

But huperzine will definitely be in my stim free stack, I don't think it's a stim.
Does anyone know where I can get Hydromax for a cheap price.

 

[johnnyp]

Some ingredients that would actually provide physical energy and not just mental stimulation would be theacrine, rhodiola, schizandra and cordyceps militaris.

 

[Brandinooooo]

I use pc as well. Have you tried putting any nootropics in your stim stack?

 

[Tylerclee]

Some ingredients that would actually provide physical energy and not just mental stimulation would be theacrine, rhodiola, schizandra and cordyceps militaris.

I do like some rhodiola, and theacrine is pretty hyped up so I'll probably try it.

 

[The Express 42]

Caffeine, theanine, dmaa, alpha npc, noopept, hup a, and tadalafil

Hell of a homemade pre workout, You've got your energy, focus, and pump all for relatively cheap

 

[Tylerclee]

Caffeine, theanine, dmaa, alpha npc, noopept, hup a, and tadalafil

Hell of a homemade pre workout, You've got your energy, focus, and pump all for relatively cheap

I'm yet to try noopept, but I've heard a lot

 

[Tylerclee]

Any ideas on good stimulant powders, other than DMAA

 

[AntM1564]

Any ideas on good stimulant powders, other than DMAA

PEA.

Not sure if you will find this in powder form, but yohimbine can be used as a stimulant. It is mostly used for weight loss, but you will see popular products including it in their pre workouts. It is fairly cheap. If you do not tolerate it, some people notice an increase in anxiety/nervousness, you could go with Alpha-Y, which essentially dose the same thing, but negates the negatives of yohimbine. TA2-Max is an alpha-y product that is just that ingredient alone and is something you could add to your homemade pre

 

[bosskardo]

PEA.

Not sure if you will find this in powder form, but yohimbine can be used as a stimulant. It is mostly used for weight loss, but you will see popular products including it in their pre workouts. It is fairly cheap. If you do not tolerate it, some people notice an increase in anxiety/nervousness, you could go with Alpha-Y, which essentially dose the same thing, but negates the negatives of yohimbine. TA2-Max is an alpha-y product that is just that ingredient alone and is something you could add to your homemade pre

PEA is available as bulk in many sources. Add some bulk Hordenine too and it's a good combo.

I've been thinking of buying bulk Higenamine, not so many sources as the other 2 but there are some.

 

[booneman77]

can't beat caff tabs for the cheapest of the cheap, and proven impact. SNS tabs are almost always on sale for under $5 (sometimes even under $2)

bulk dmaa is around a few plces but it can make you crash hard and youll build a tolerance quick. great stuff while its working tho.

 

[Tylerclee]

PEA.

Not sure if you will find this in powder form, but yohimbine can be used as a stimulant. It is mostly used for weight loss, but you will see popular products including it in their pre workouts. It is fairly cheap. If you do not tolerate it, some people notice an increase in anxiety/nervousness, you could go with Alpha-Y, which essentially dose the same thing, but negates the negatives of yohimbine. TA2-Max is an alpha-y product that is just that ingredient alone and is something you could add to your homemade pre

It takes a ton of yohimbine for me to get any stim effects, I guess it's better than being sensitive to it.

 

[Tylerclee]

Any ideas on ergogenics? So far I've covered bcaas, LCLT, betaine, creatine, SL granules, & Epicatechin

 

[Jakey]

Any ideas on ergogenics? So far I've covered bcaas, LCLT, betaine, creatine, SL granules, & Epicatechin

L-citrulline

Beta alanine via saturation

 

[Misfit28]

SNS has you covered on quite a few of those, including Noopept and Caffeine.

Great prices too

 

[Lynks8]

Any ideas on ergogenics? So far I've covered bcaas, LCLT, betaine, creatine, SL granules, & Epicatechin

Off the top of my head...
Alpha-GPC, Citrulline/Citrulline-Malate and Schisandra would be good additions. Also, a carb source and lemon juice. Both will enhance (-)-epi's absorption, and carbs are arguably the single greatest ergogen of all time.

 

[rascal14]

Is there anyway to effectively mix bulk powders into one by yourself and get accurate dosing if the ratios are correct?

 

[Tylerclee]

Off the top of my head...
Alpha-GPC, Citrulline/Citrulline-Malate and Schisandra would be good additions. Also, a carb source and lemon juice. Both will enhance (-)-epi's absorption, and carbs are arguably the single greatest ergogen of all time.

Sounds a lot like endur3 haha, Which I will buying when the funds are present. I will be mixing an Epi ingredient ( or endur3) with tr1umph or (SL granules) for absorption.

 

[Tylerclee]

Is there anyway to effectively mix bulk powders into one by yourself and get accurate dosing if the ratios are correct?

I second this question?

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Is there anyway to effectively mix bulk powders into one by yourself and get accurate dosing if the ratios are correct?

Yes - figure out how much of each individual ingredient you want in each dose, then multiply by (easiest) 30 Days. Then dump that total amount in a huge a$$ container (5lb Protein Tubs work well). Do that for each one (you'll need a scale) and shake the crap out of it. Add 30 packets of single serv Crystal Light (Great Value Peach Mango rules - 80mg of CAF each, so dose extra CAF accordingly) if you want too. Then transfer to a smaller container if you want, and find a scoop from the 10,000 ones you have saved that matches your single dose weight. It reads more complicated than it is. You need a scale and a calculator

 

[rascal14]

Yes - figure out how much of each individual ingredient you want in each dose, then multiply by (easiest) 30 Days. Then dump that total amount in a huge a$$ container (5lb Protein Tubs work well). Do that for each one (you'll need a scale) and shake the crap out of it. Add 30 packets of single serv Crystal Light (Great Value Peach Mango rules - 80mg of CAF each, so dose extra CAF accordingly) if you want too. Then transfer to a smaller container if you want, and find a scoop from the 10,000 ones you have saved that matches your single dose weight. It reads more complicated than it is. You need a scale and a calculator

Easy enough! I wasn't sure if there was some special way of doing it or not lol

 

[Tylerclee]

Yes - figure out how much of each individual ingredient you want in each dose, then multiply by (easiest) 30 Days. Then dump that total amount in a huge a$$ container (5lb Protein Tubs work well). Do that for each one (you'll need a scale) and shake the crap out of it. Add 30 packets of single serv Crystal Light (Great Value Peach Mango rules - 80mg of CAF each, so dose extra CAF accordingly) if you want too. Then transfer to a smaller container if you want, and find a scoop from the 10,000 ones you have saved that matches your single dose weight. It reads more complicated than it is. You need a scale and a calculator

I still don't see the ratios being very accurate doing that. You could get a lot of one ingredient and not very much of the other. Doesn't seem very safe when stims are included.

 

[Rob1882]

Ephedrine is a favorite for me and a 2nd if Ephedrine is completely unavailable would be Yohimbine HCL

Would not use either in raw powder form but you can add them to whatever you do mix up in tablet/capsule form the powder yohimbine you would need a very very fine scale since the dosages are tiny and the amount of powder would be very small - to me not worth the risk of possible OD and an ER visit.

 

[rascal14]

I still don't see the ratios being very accurate doing that. You could get a lot of one ingredient and not very much of the other. Doesn't seem very safe when stims are included.

The density of different powders is what I was worried about with settling, but I guess as long as you shake it pretty well before each use it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

 

[Tylerclee]

The density of different powders is what I was worried about with settling, but I guess as long as you shake it pretty well before each use it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Good point, but I'd probably forget to shake it.

 

[Tylerclee]

Someone mentioned higenamine, but is that even available in bulk?

 

[bosskardo]

Someone mentioned higenamine, but is that even available in bulk?

Used to be more sources but right now I can only find ebay and amazon.

 

[Tylerclee]

Used to be more sources but right now I can only find ebay and amazon.

Yea I was looking but can't find any. Sucks, I'd like to get some higenamine and eria jarensis.

 

[Tylerclee]

Anyone able to get amentoflavone?

 

[johnnyp]

Anyone able to get amentoflavone?

I have a few bottles if you want em lol.

 

[Tylerclee]

I have a few bottles if you want em lol.

Why didn't you like it?

 

[sespress]

Caffeine tab are dirt cheap. Some people enjoy DMAA, which I think you can get in bulk, but I could b wrong. Also, look for some nootropics. The caffeine will work well with those, improving focus and mood. I personally like Tyrosine and some form of Choline (Alpha GPC, but that can be a little pricey). I would also include Huperzine A from SNS, it is very cheap. I also enjoy Eria Jarensis, but do not think it is around the bulk sites.

Preferred over choline bit?

 

[sespress]

Caffeine, theanine, dmaa, alpha npc, noopept, hup a, and tadalafil

Hell of a homemade pre workout, You've got your energy, focus, and pump all for relatively cheap

Hmm, I have caffeine, noopept, huperizine, and floromodafanil, all on hand in powder form. Also bitter orange, some 4-pmpd and a bottle of OL hydro3 . It's become quiet the collection.

I've been combining the noopept, huperizine, bitter orange, and caffeine in a capsule and taking one of the hydro 3 with it. I save the floromodafanil for my night shifts at work. I used to use other preworkout mixers but many of them make me really tingle too much.

So the question is wat's up with tadalafil? Have You tried the other 'afanils and decided you prefer that kind or just tried that and stuck with it.

I like my combo cause it doesn't let me down too hard when it's worn off.

 

[The Express 42]

well tadalafil is just cialis lol but it gives me a hell of a pump, way more than any other pump product I've tried

 

[Rob1882]

well tadalafil is just cialis lol but it gives me a hell of a pump, way more than any other pump product I've tried

Can confirm I use a lower dosage for daily use.

How much are you using?

 

[The Express 42]

I do 5mg about an hour pre workout, I usually skip it on leg days though

 

[sespress]

well tadalafil is just cialis lol but it gives me a hell of a pump, way more than any other pump product I've tried

Oh lol I'm retarded I thought you were talking about some novel new form or analog of modafinil. (Face palm)

 

[Rob1882]

I do 5mg about an hour pre workout, I usually skip it on leg days though

Ya about what I am using, was just curious how much you were or others might be.

I like it a bit more than Sildenafil ( viagra ) it has a much longer life span

Oh lol I'm retarded I thought you were talking about some novel new form or analog of modafinil. (Face palm)

Ments had

 

[The Express 42]

Oh lol I'm retarded I thought you were talking about some novel new form or analog of modafinil. (Face palm)

hahaha no worries man I do that kind of stuff all the time I figured you were a bit confused

Yeah I also enjoy it more than viagra, you just have to be careful to not use too much on a daily basis because it will start to add up. Phenomenal pumps though

 

[johnnyp]

Why didn't you like it?

It doesn't do anything but provide a mood boost at high doses. It has poor bioavailability, there's a reason PES dropped it.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Good point, but I'd probably forget to shake it.

What do you think happens in an off the shelf stim product? There is no special magic in there - just a bunch of bulks mixed up. That's why their labels also say "shake before use" or something along those lines. Settling would take a loooooong time sitting in a cabinet anyway - shake it once a week. It's not like it's on a UPS Truck for 4 days

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Someone mentioned higenamine, but is that even available in bulk?

Yes, as is Hordinine. But if you use Ephedrine, they are not needed - almost all of the stuff that appeared since the Ephedrine ban, are because *of* the ban - E rules the roost for Beta Agonists (and I'd say even better than Clen, since you can take it for a long a$$ time).

 

[Tylerclee]

What do you think happens in an off the shelf stim product? There is no special magic in there - just a bunch of bulks mixed up. That's why their labels also say "shake before use" or something along those lines. Settling would take a loooooong time sitting in a cabinet anyway - shake it once a week. It's not like it's on a UPS Truck for 4 days

I will try it. Except for supps that use huperzine a or something that is a minuscule of powder.

 

[Tylerclee]

It doesn't do anything but provide a mood boost at high doses. It has poor bioavailability, there's a reason PES dropped it.

I know the bioavailability is bad so I was gonna see about mixing with lecithin granules. Maybe the phosphatidylcholine will help absorption

 

[johnnyp]

I know the bioavailability is bad so I was gonna see about mixing with lecithin granules. Maybe the phosphatidylcholine will help absorption

More power to you.

 

[Rob1882]

Do a search for No_Hype and Amentoflavone not worth it

To quote No_Hype ( He has a very extensive post with a whole lot of supporting data )

"The parent compound.... isn't even present post-admin following a 300 mg/kg dose in a rodent model. So a micro-dosed amentoflavone product doesn't stand a chance at eliciting appreciable levels of AMF [or it's conjugates]. The bastardized in-vitro amentoflavone extrapolations that PES & friends are currently using to push the warped-ass concept of enhanced SR Ca2+ release/PDE inhibition are merely based off the parent compound.... which as we've established, isn't even present after a huge bolus."


"Sure amentoflavone looked interesting. That's because the companies pushing it, intentionally avoided using logic when extrapolating the in-vitro data.

They knew the average forum goer wouldn't know any better."

"I'm not insinuating that there's no utility for AMF, as it could even prove to be ergogenic to some degree through other mechanisms however, AMF is by no means increasing contractile strength via the mechanism of enhanced SR Ca2+ release. Additionally, the IC50's for AMF & PDE are weak sauce, so I wouldn't expect much through PDE-inhibition either."