Appreciate the Sup3r PCT love.
As a natty that's just beginning to really research hormonal stuff, can someone educate me on the downsides of using a SERM? I've heard about feeling depressed on clomid, but that's it. From my potentially naive viewpoint, if you're going to use enough 11-KT to be suppressive, the alleged downsides of a SERM have to be way less detrimental than the downsides of not using one and not recovering as quickly, right?
JEBrook pointed out the majority of the issues. Some other potential sides: Cancer, vision problems, and some other issues. The thing is, most of these issues come from long-term and continued use. For instance, the vision problems with Nolva usually take a month or longer to appear if you are taking 50+ mg/day (which is a big dose). They all have specific side effects that you should be aware of and should research the individual compound you decide to use. It is good to know the unlikely side effects, just so you can catch an issue early on if you get unlucky and respond poorly. If suddenly you get blurry vision on 20 mg a day and don't realize the Nolva could cause it...even though it is unlikely - then you may continue to do damage.
IMO, the biggest issues for most people using or not using a SERM is being unsure of how to obtain from a legit safe source or being uneducated about how to safely cycle. There really is very little cons to using one versus the heavy risks of not using one. The inherent toxicity of SERMs and risk of side effects is much less than steroidal compounds. A low dose Clomid cycle( ex.12.5 mg for 3 weeks) would have extremely low risk of sides, virtually no toxicity, and all but guarantee quick and proper recovery from a cycle like the one discussed in this thread.
This pretty much sums it up for 99% of the cases. I would never hesitate to use a SERM unless I've tried it and had some specific side that I couldn't handle. Always have one on hand BEFORE starting a cycle.
nah, low dose 125mg 11-keto transdermal, for 6 weeks and dermacrine towards the end at just 1 squirt a day - not bathing in it, just cutting atm.
We really are talking low dose here, probably equiv to 300mg of oral daily which is listed as no pct required.
Ive gone with Rebirth as the reviews of people using harsher compounds and review on here showing complete recovery from 5 compounds is good news to hear.
11keto has literally zero toxicity so Im wanting a l ow toxicity pct to go with it.
Don't mistake 11-Oxo for 11-KT. 300 mg of 11-Oxo doesn't require PCT. 11-Oxo, however, converts to 11-KT at a much lower rate than what you would take orally. I would bet that your math is off, without data other than personal experience to back it up. 250-375 mg of 11-KT transdermally had an effect that was very similar to 1000-1200 mg of 11-Oxo orally for me.
125 mg with no SERM may be fine (but I still recommend a SERM to be safe), especially if you can get blood work. If you want to avoid toxicity, then get blood work to confirm and you will at least know you are back to normal, or not.
