I see a lot of products in the 200-250mg range, has anyone had success or noticed a difference going over 500mg's? When I have tried the 250mg I didn't notice much so just curious if theres an advantage to upping the dose.
Always in with the great info.Let's see if this is still in my pic repository...
Yup. The more the better in this study (it appears...). Whether or not it will actually do anything (other than generally being healthy) is person dependent it seems. The "Bigger Muscles" theory seems to have been busted though.
I'd like to see if you notice a difference if you end up doing this. I really haven't experimented with epicatechin dosage myself.appreciate the response! yeah have been looking into follidrone 2.0 and maybe adding 250mg of some bulk epicatechin and see where it goes.
It will be 100% a waste to run the natty epi with that stack. Save it for PCT.I am going to be running epidrone at 4 caps in my next cycle, but I am using it as test base for my super dmz 2.0 so the dmz, msten, and epiandro will probably over shadow any benefits, thats 664mg of epicatechin though. I might pick something up for my pct and try to run it over 500 and it should shine there if it makes any difference
Epirdone by BPS has 100mg of epiandro per cap as well, If I could extract the epicat and save it for PCT I most certainly would lolIt will be 100% a waste to run the natty epi with that stack. Save it for PCT.
Every brand will argue theirs is better than the others. Honestly it's hard to say since all are newer and the compounds they're being used on relatively untested even in their original forms/extractsAre these absorption methods superior to cyclodextrin?
Curious as to why you feel this and what it's based on? I have not used, but do see why it's a great profile.Folidrone 2.0 blows all other Epi(-) products entirely away.
I have used Folidrone 1.0 and OL's clone and bulk.Curious as to why you feel this and what it's based on? I have not used, but do see why it's a great profile.
I dont believe Epicatechin really benifits from Clycodextrin. Epicatechin should have good solubility -- and epicatechin even has quite decent oral bioavailability. (Around 33%.) Its a BCS Class III compound: High solubility, low permeability, which is to say poor absorption from the GI tract. Epicatechin will really benifit from the use of intestinal permeation enhancers.Are these absorption methods superior to cyclodextrin?
Enter Olympus Labs' PhytoFUSE™Epicatechin will really benifit from the use of intestinal permeation enhancers.
Well that's quite an ironic statement. OL clone? Didn't EvoMuse put out Epi first in MyoSynergy? So by your logic it's Folliclone 1.0?I have used Folidrone 1.0 and OL's clone and bulk.
I base mo on my personal experience and the personal use of numerous (at least a 100) AM posts, reviews and logs.
And the fact that BLR has a reputation for bringing only new products to the market and only products that work better than expected.
And the fact that I have been using and following supplements closely since the early 80's.
How can someone such as yourself who works in the supplement industry not have tried what has been touted for many months as being the best product of 2016 throughout AM?
And what experience do you have with the ingredients in the profile other than Epi(-) to state its a 'great profile'?
Myosynergy does include Epi(-), but is quite different from Folidrone 1.0 / Ep1c.Well that's quite an ironic statement. OL clone? Didn't EvoMuse put out Epi first in MyoSynergy? So by your logic it's Folliclone 1.0?
I'm curious how a single ingredient can be a "well made copy". IIRC, Folli 1.0 was 500mg (-)-Epi with a maltodextrin carrier, and Ep1c was 300mg (-)-Epi with a rice flour carrier. Neither were the first Epicatechin products to market.Myosynergy does include Epi(-), but is quite different from Folidrone 1.0 / Ep1c.
Ep1c was a very well made copy of Folidrone 1.0 that was put out after shorty after its success. Having used Ep1c, it was a great product for its time. Have you tried Folidrone 2.0?
I have used Folidrone 1.0 and OL's clone and bulk.
I base mo on my personal experience and the personal use of numerous (at least a 100) AM posts, reviews and logs.
And the fact that BLR has a reputation for bringing only new products to the market and only products that work better than expected.
And the fact that I have been using and following supplements closely since the early 80's.
How can someone such as yourself who works in the supplement industry not have tried what has been touted for many months as being the best product of 2016 throughout AM?
And what experience do you have with the ingredients in the profile other than Epi(-) to state its a 'great profile'?
Choosing not to use a product even though it is taughted as a great product is a choice for several reasons. The question I asked was not meant as an attack yet your response was. All I was curious was to why you personally felt it was a great product. I was interested in your opinion. Nothing more. Much like yourself I do read up on products some I use others I choose not to, but I do look into the ingredients and seeing what each does is why I agreed it has a great profile. Don't be so quick to attack people who ask simple questions.I have used Folidrone 1.0 and OL's clone and bulk.
I base mo on my personal experience and the personal use of numerous (at least a 100) AM posts, reviews and logs.
And the fact that BLR has a reputation for bringing only new products to the market and only products that work better than expected.
And the fact that I have been using and following supplements closely since the early 80's.
How can someone such as yourself who works in the supplement industry not have tried what has been touted for many months as being the best product of 2016 throughout AM?
And what experience do you have with the ingredients in the profile other than Epi(-) to state its a 'great profile'?
I dont believe Epicatechin really benifits from Clycodextrin. Epicatechin should have good solubility -- and epicatechin even has quite decent oral bioavailability. (Around 33%.) Its a BCS Class III compound: High solubility, low permeability, which is to say poor absorption from the GI tract. Epicatechin will really benifit from the use of intestinal permeation enhancers.
Safety concerns over the use of intestinal permeation enhancers: A mini-review http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/21688370.2016.1176822?journalCode=ktib20 any input on this?Enter Olympus Labs' PhytoFUSE™
By complexing Epicatechin with Phosphatidylcholine, the interfacial tension between the compound and GI fluid is decreased, thereby improving permeation across intestinal epithelial cells, enhancing bioavailability.
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Great question. I will do my best to address this, but I am just an enthusiastic researcher, I hope one of our more knowledgeable members will add to the discussion if I've missed anything.Safety concerns over the use of intestinal permeation enhancers: A mini-review http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/21688370.2016.1176822?journalCode=ktib20 any input on this?
Safety concerns over the use of intestinal permeation enhancers: A mini-review http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/21688370.2016.1176822?journalCode=ktib20 any input on this?
I'm unaware of any supplement using these.sodium caprate, sodium caprylate, and N-[8-(2-hydroxybenzoyl) amino] caprylate (SNAC)), bile salts, acyl carnitines, and EDTA
Probably the Gold Standard: Meriva from Thorne -Most PEs seem to cause membrane perturbation to varying extents that is rapidly reversible, and overall evidence of pathogen co-absorption is generally lacking.
I wouldn't worry about anything similar.Phytosomes are plant extracts bound to phospholipids (from sunflower oil in the case of Meriva 500-SF), essential components of human cells. Although the body does make phospholipids (such as phosphatidylcholine and phosphatidylserine), phospholipids can also be obtained from food or nutritional supplements. When taken orally, phospholipids are very well absorbed. The scientists at Indena found a way to attach a curcumin extract to phospholipids obtained from sunflower oil for optimal absorption, resulting in Meriva 500-SF. With Meriva 500-SF, the body readily absorbs the phospholipid with the attached curcumin, which results in more curcumin reaching the body’s cells that can benefit from it.
Sodium caprate http://www.strongsupplementshop.com/epi-2-0-her-versionI'm unaware of any supplement using these.
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I stand corrected! Thanks. I'm cheap - I use Lemon Juice with my 50% EGCG caps
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