Phosphatidic Vs Arachidonic

[Brick Tannen]

What's the better of the two for strictly building/bulking?

Phospha Grow or Xgels??

Any other recommendations welcome!

 

[jathan_howe]

Soy lecithin granules as a $7 month supply of 1200mg of Phosphatidic Acid, among other beneficial phospholipids. It's so cheap that you can throw your ArA in also and run both. Also, the PA acts as an emulsifier for the ArA

 

[jaredmus]

Soy lecithin granules as a $7 month supply of 1200mg of Phosphatidic Acid, among other beneficial phospholipids. It's so cheap that you can throw your ArA in also and run both. Also, the PA acts as an emulsifier for the ArA

interesting. I like x-factor not advanced as much just the Original. Itts pretty good. I used phosphamuscle and plasma muscle. And had some great workouts while using those products. But want to give the granules a go instead

 

[jathan_howe]

interesting. I like x-factor not advanced as much just the Original. Itts pretty good. I used phosphamuscle and plasma muscle. And had some great workouts while using those products. But want to give the granules a go instead

Most PA products are 750mg and don't emulsify ArA.
Soy lecithin granules are almost double the PA dose as specialized PA products, loaded with other phospholipids, emulsifier ArA, and is only $7-$10 a month

 

[Lynks8]

Most PA products are 750mg and don't emulsify ArA.
Soy lecithin granules are almost double the PA dose as specialized PA products, loaded with other phospholipids, emulsifier ArA, and is only $7-$10 a month

Boom. You need the actual SoyL if you want the emulsification properties...and considering how inexpensive granules are, there's no reason not to run both!

Since you asked for other suggestions, I'd say that if you want to take it to the next level for an extra ~$20, I'd go Tr1umph + Xgels. Very popular stack and with good reason: You get a hefty dose of SoyL and 15 other anabolic aids. Tr1umph + ArA = gainz city.

 

[Driven2lift]

PA on value, ARA for faster results IMO

 

[Jiigzz]

PA on value, ARA for faster results IMO

Sums it up. Honestly for how cheap PA can be had for, I would use it alongside whatever other anabolic aid you like, be it Ara or something else

 

[cheftepesh1]

PA on value, ARA for faster results IMO

I am with this. PA worked great on strength, but I found those gains did not continue with the time I had in. ARA seemed to continue.

 

[Afi140]

I am with this. PA worked great on strength, but I found those gains did not continue with the time I had in. ARA seemed to continue.

Third this. I normally run them together anyway though so it's a win win.

 

[jaredmus]

Boom. You need the actual SoyL if you want the emulsification properties...and considering how inexpensive granules are, there's no reason not to run both!

Since you asked for other suggestions, I'd say that if you want to take it to the next level for an extra ~$20, I'd go Tr1umph + Xgels. Very popular stack and with good reason: You get a hefty dose of SoyL and 15 other anabolic aids. Tr1umph + ArA = gainz city.

always see it on sale at nutriverse may need to give it a go

 

[compan]

I'll side with PA.

You can get it dirt cheap and a lot of people notice significant rise in hunger which would naturally be great for bulking.

 

[Brick Tannen]

always see it on sale at nutriverse may need to give it a go

Nutriverse is always my go to!

 

[Lynks8]

always see it on sale at nutriverse may need to give it a go

You won't regret it. OL insider 50% off sale starts tomorrow, too.

 

[Tylerclee]

Sorry to hijack thread but I just read another am thread where someone was dosing X-gels mid workout. X-gels should be taken fasted , so would a mid workout dose be beneficial if a meal was 1.5 hours pre workout?
I am currently using tr1umph and ready to open my bottle of X-gels!

 

[mechka_grizli]

Think it needs to be said that the SL Granules will add xtra calories to your daily intake. 8g of fat can cause issues for some

 

[Robert5891]

Just picked up a tub of Fearn lecithin granules and using it on my lean bulk.

Anyone have an "optimal" time to consume it? Specifically, any benefit to consuming it pre workout and how long before?

 

[jathan_howe]

Just picked up a tub of Fearn lecithin granules and using it on my lean bulk.

Anyone have an "optimal" time to consume it? Specifically, any benefit to consuming it pre workout and how long before?

I think it had some benefit of being dosed around an hour pre workout but can't remember what

 

[warbird01]

Run both!

X gels on their own are IMO better than lecithin but they are both great products, and lecithin is cheap as hell.

 

[ma70]

Soy lecithin granules as a $7 month supply of 1200mg of Phosphatidic Acid, among other beneficial phospholipids. It's so cheap that you can throw your ArA in also and run both. Also, the PA acts as an emulsifier for the ArA

Not necessarily 1200mg @ 7$ a month, but this is just nitpicking (the range is 4-7%). It's still great for how much it costs. It's a no brainer if you can stand the taste (I got tired of it after awhile)

 

[619sss]

I was getting a PA I ran into this, is it good?

Life Extension, Lecithin, 16 oz (454 g)

http://www.iherb.com/prod/4070?code=FWT101

 

[619sss]

I was getting a PA I ran into this, is it good?

Life Extension, Lecithin, 16 oz (454 g)

http://www.iherb.com/prod/4070?code=FWT101

No one has an idea ??

 

[machinehead]

It is fine. It has about 6% PA as all the other de-oiled granule products.

 

[619sss]

It is fine. It has about 6% PA as all the other de-oiled granule products.

That won't do it

Well please recommend me the best ARA and PA products...please

 

[jathan_howe]

That won't do it

Well please recommend me the best ARA and PA products...please

What do you mean that won't do it? It's plenty enough PA, more than you'll get in any PA product

 

[619sss]

What do you mean that won't do it? It's plenty enough PA, more than you'll get in any PA product

6%? Idk

 

[jathan_howe]

6%? Idk

That puts the PA content in the ball park of a little less than 1200mg, on average. Plus you get extra fats, so more calories. Plus you get phosphatidylcholine (cognitive benefits), phosphatidylserine (lowers cortisol), and many other beneficial phospholipids

 

[bb333]

Sorry to hijack thread but I just read another am thread where someone was dosing X-gels mid workout. X-gels should be taken fasted , so would a mid workout dose be beneficial if a meal was 1.5 hours pre workout?
I am currently using tr1umph and ready to open my bottle of X-gels!

UP!

 

[chainsaw]

Does sl cause any gyno or prolactin related issues, I'm nervous about soy now

 

[machinehead]

Does sl cause any gyno or prolactin related issues, I'm nervous about soy now

It does not. Some get GI issues and some look smoother.

 

[Lynks8]

It does not.

Yep. Soy Lecithin is comprised primarily of phospholipids, phosphoric acid and fatty acids. No isoflavones/phytoestrogens. No need to worry about gyno or prolactin, which wouldn't be an issue with soy anyway. The fear of estrogen with soy is vastly overblown.

 

[M.I.D]

What is the ideal dose for PA?

 

[machinehead]

What is the ideal dose for PA?

It is individual. Some respond well to the studied 750mg daily, others like me respond to double that.

 

[M.I.D]

It is individual. Some respond well to the studied 750mg daily, others like me respond to double that.

Is there a maximum dose?

 

[machinehead]

Is there a maximum dose?

Danes has gone up to 4 grams and says it works much better than any other dose.

 

[M.I.D]

Danes has gone up to 4 grams and says it works much better than any other dose.

Danes - What were you experiencing at this dose?

 

[M.I.D]

Do you know much about the dose of sunflower Lecithin - I have a tub at home that I have never used. Not sure if it is different or not?

 

[ma70]

Danes has gone up to 4 grams and says it works much better than any other dose.

With an emphasis on diminishing returns, he said that 1500mg is best.

 

[machinehead]

Do you know much about the dose of sunflower Lecithin - I have a tub at home that I have never used. Not sure if it is different or not?

It is roughly the same as soy. I like sunflower much better though for lack of GI sides.

 

[M.I.D]

It is roughly the same as soy. I like sunflower much better though for lack of GI sides.

So we think 1500 ish?

I take 1200mg tabs from NOW foods - says take 3 a day - confusing dose for me?!?

 

[machinehead]

So we think 1500 ish?

I take 1200mg tabs from NOW foods - says take 3 a day - confusing dose for me?!?

Oh no, the liquid has very little PA. Only powder has about 6%

 

[GQNemesis]

I just picked up 2 tubs to stack with Xgels ..might possible stack with epiQ as well for extra since i have 3 bottles laying around.

Dear Nov. come soon

 

[M.I.D]

Oh that's annoying. So they are worthless

 

[faytrain1]

So do the now foods soft gels not contain much pa?

 

[warbird01]

I just picked up 2 tubs to stack with Xgels ..might possible stack with epiQ as well for extra since i have 3 bottles laying around.

Dear Nov. come soon

Hell yeah, bomb stack!

 

[Robert5891]

Quick question are the benefits from PA more acute or is saturation needed to see the full effects of the supplement. Right now, I'm just consuming it about 1-1.5 hours pre workout. Off days (Thurs & Sun), not consuming it

 

[beastmode1981]

Ok ivecreadcthe thread...just a question..i just ran 2bottles of xfactor..2tbs of hearns with 1.25g of ara...good results. Should u continue taking the granules. If so the same 2tbs preworkout?

 

[beastmode1981]

Sorry if thats hard to read..jacked up phone

 

[Daycrawler]

Ok ivecreadcthe thread...just a question..i just ran 2bottles of xfactor..2tbs of hearns with 1.25g of ara...good results. Should u continue taking the granules. If so the same 2tbs preworkout?

Might as well. Inexpensive and good addition.

 

[warbird01]

Might as well. Inexpensive and good addition.

x2. If you can afford it run it year round.

 

[Lynks8]

So do the now foods soft gels not contain much pa?

From what I've seen, they likely don't. I would email NOW and see what they have to say.

Quick question are the benefits from PA more acute or is saturation needed to see the full effects of the supplement. Right now, I'm just consuming it about 1-1.5 hours pre workout. Off days (Thurs & Sun), not consuming it

The effects appear to be primarily acute, but the overall benefit comes from the continuous repetition of these effects. So while PA doesn't appear to work primarily through saturation, (like say, creatine), stimulating mTOR on off days is still probably a good idea.