Beta-Androstenetriol Transdermal ?

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  1. Beta-Androstenetriol Transdermal ?


    o they below cam ein via email, what can anyone say abvout this? Originally looking to 11-keto for fatloss and recomp but would this be as good?

    Product Description
    Invictus
    Beta-Androstenetriol Transdermal
    The main ingredient in Invictus is beta androstenetriol (Androstene-3 beta-7 beta-17 beta-triol) — a powerful cortisol suppressant and immune boosting agent — in a revolutionary and patent-pending transdermal delivery system, designed to boost bio-availability to levels that would simply not be possible via oral administration. In other words it delivers more of the active ingredient b-AET into your bloodstream. Invictus represents the next step in commercial physique enhancing formulas, and the results it generates will need to be seen to be believed!
    Iron Legion Invictus Key Benefits
    Increased Fat Loss
    Control Cortisol Levels
    Maintain Muscle Mass
    Reduce Inflammation
    Improved Immune Response
    Zero Conversion to HPTA Suppressive Hormones
    Can be Used During PCT
    Can be Stacked with Fat Burner of Choice
    Androstene-3 beta-7 beta-17 beta-triol (b-AET) represents a key naturally occurring 7-hydroxy dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) metabolite. Produced from the adrenal gland, DHEA and its sulfate are the major circulating adrenal steroids in humans. Studies on Androstenetriol show its ability to strongly counteract cortisol and boost lymphocyte activity.
    Cortisol is one of the body’s most abundant and important endogenous steroids. Listing in detail the expansive list of cortisol’s many functions in our body is a nearly impossible task, to summarize we can say that cortisol’s role in the human body is to break down bodily tissue and nutrients for the purpose of energy provision (to be catabolic), to act as an immunosuppressive, and to regulate blood sugar. In a nutshell, cortisol is responsible for inhibiting many of the processes that we as fitness enthusiasts want to start, and for starting many of the processes that we want to inhibit.
    CONTAINS: Isopropanol, propylene glycol, benzyl alcohol, cis-9-octadecanoic acid, Beta Androstenetriol (3b, 7b, 17b) 3-Acetate, N-n-butyl-benzoyl-2-sulphimide, stearyl methacrylate, nerolidol, glycerin, hypromellose.
    DIRECTIONS:
    Use the dropper to apply 1-2 mL topically. Ideal application sites include the chest, shoulders, and neck.
    WARNINGS:
    For external use only! Harmful if swallowed. Do not apply to the face or eyes. Not intended for use by women and persons under 21 years of age! End user assumes all risks stemming from the use, handling and storage of this product.


  2. I believe this was used in lean extreme at one point if it still isn't. I would go with 11-keto in terms of effectiveness, unless you are looking to avoid any possible suppression. In my opinion you will get more bang for your buck with 11-keto.
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  3. Been using it for 2 weeks and it has already made a noticeable affect on fat loss and hardening.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by BigKrabbe View Post
    I believe this was used in lean extreme at one point if it still isn't. I would go with 11-keto in terms of effectiveness, unless you are looking to avoid any possible suppression. In my opinion you will get more bang for your buck with 11-keto.
    This is topical. b-AET is very effective and does not require a PCT contrasted with 11-KT.

    OP, I've been running SNS Reduce XT + Invictus for 4 weeks now and it's been great. Half dosing each.

    I'd def recommend either and Invictus is a solid product.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Dma378 View Post
    Been using it for 2 weeks and it has already made a noticeable affect on fat loss and hardening.
    what dosing are you using?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by cubs1987 View Post
    what dosing are you using?
    1ml/day split:

    .5ml am post-workout
    .5ml late afternoon/evening

  7. Invictus is good stuff. I seen a bunch of good reviews on it, tried it and love it. Only problem is i need to order more.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by BANE44 View Post
    Invictus is good stuff. I seen a bunch of good reviews on it, tried it and love it. Only problem is i need to order more.
    Iron Legion Site Sale 40% OFF

    now is a good time
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by IronLegion View Post
    Iron Legion Site Sale 40% OFF

    now is a good time
    Thats a sweet deal! I already have 2 Virtus 2 Invictus.. but I could get some more but.. 1 bottle Invictus + shipping = $80 to Swe : \

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Piledahlaren View Post
    Thats a sweet deal! I already have 2 Virtus 2 Invictus.. but I could get some more but.. 1 bottle Invictus + shipping = $80 to Swe : \
    sent you a PM.
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  11. better or worse than 11-kt? Any studies?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Toff View Post
    better or worse than 11-kt? Any studies?
    There are a TON of studies on b-AET.

    b-AET and 11-keto are quite different. 11-keto is quite androgenic and can cause suppression...it's an active steroid. 11-keto does not impact cortisol throughout the body, but only in the target tissues (muscle, liver, etc).

    b-AET lowers cortisol systemically and offers a myriad of benefits associated with lowering the impacts of stress on the body. b-AET has extensive and wide variety of research backing it!

    Here's links to just a few studies I have off the top of my head:

    1. Antiglucocorticoid function of androstenetriol.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9264155

    2. Auci DL, Ahlem CN, Kennedy MR, Page TM, Reading CL, Frincke JM. A Potential Role for 5-Androstene-3[beta],7[beta],17[beta]-triol in Obesity and Metabolic Syndrome. Obesity.
    http://www.nature.com/oby/journal/va...y2010204a.html

    3. Lu M, Patsouris D, Li P, et al. A new antidiabetic compound attenuates inflammation and insulin resistance in Zucker diabetic fatty rats. American Journal of Physiology – Endocrinology and Metabolism 2010;298(5):E1036-E48.
    http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/298/5/E1036.full

    4. Malik AK, Khaldoyanidi S, Auci DL, et al. 5-androstene-3,7,17-triol (b-AET) Slows Thermal Injury Induced Osteopenia in Mice: Relation to Aging and Osteoporosis. PLoS ONE;5(10):e13566.
    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:...l.pone.0013566

    5. Marcu AC, Paccione KE, Barbee RW, et al. Androstenetriol Immunomodulation Improves Survival in a Severe Trauma Hemorrhage Shock Model. The Journal of Trauma 2007;63(3):662-9.

    6. Pharmacology and immune modulating properties of 5-androstene-3β,7β,17β-triol, a DHEA metabolite in the human metabolome.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21570467

    7. Phase I and Phase II clinical trials of androst-5-ene-3β,7β,17β-triol
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3102572/

    8. 5-Androstene-3β,7β,17β-triol (β-AET) Slows Thermal Injury Induced Osteopenia in Mice: Relation to Aging and Osteoporosis
    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0013566

    Another writeup on b-AET from primordial performance (archive)
    Anti-inflammatory Benefits of Androstenetriol (5-androstene-3 beta-7 beta-17 beta-triol, beta AET)

    DECEMBER 31, 2010 LEAVE A COMMENT

    Androstene-3 beta-7 beta-17 beta-triol (AET) represents a key naturally occurring 7-hydroxy dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) metabolite. Produced from the adrenal gland, DHEA and its sulfate are the major circulating adrenal steroids in humans. Serum levels peak in young adults, but then steadily decline with age, falling over 80% by age 70. DHEA serves as a precursor of male and female sex hormones. (1, 3, 5, 6)

    DHEA demonstrates a plethora of anti-aging properties in rodents, including anti-inflammatory, anti-obesity, anti-diabetic, immune enhancing activities, and opposes certain activities of endogenous glucocorticoids (GC). As the literature grew, DHEA became widely used as an anti-aging, anti-stress dietary supplement. Despite these well-documented activities in animal models, DHEA supplementation in humans has yielded inconclusive results and the value of DHEA replacement in humans is controversial. Such widely different outcomes in rodents and humans have been referred to as ‘the DHEA conundrum’. Moreover, the potential therapeutic use of DHEA is limited by its side effects due to its conversion to sex hormones.

    One possibility to explain these discrepancies is that a metabolite(s) of DHEA, rather than DHEA itself, may be necessary for its full action in human physiology. DHEA undergoes extensive conversion and derivatization to multiple products by phase 1 reactions involving the cytochrome P450 system, and studies have shown that these phase 1 products can be more potent than parental DHEA. Phase 1 reactions frequently decline in elderly subjects, and since such subjects have been the major participants in human DHEA treatment studies, it is possible that biologically active metabolites of DHEA were not produced in adequate amounts in previous human studies. It is also possible that qualitative changes in DHEA metabolism between rodents and humans will account for these differences.

    DHEA oxidation via the action of the enzyme CYP7B leads to the 7-hydroxy derivatives of C-19 steroids, which are collectively present in low nanomolar concentrations in human circulation and are not readily metabolized to potent androgens or estrogens. Many of the functions initially attributed to DHEA from observations in rodents are now thought to be properties of these oxygenated metabolites, particularly AET.

    Molecular Structure of Androstenetriol


    AET possesses some of the anti-inflammatory and GC-opposing activities that have been attributed to DHEA, but with greater apparent potency. Studies with AET demonstrate it markedly up regulates host immune response, prevents immune suppression, modulates inflammation and improves survival after lethal infections by pathogens and lethal radiation. (1, 3, 5, 6)

    AET has been shown to be protective against traumatic shock. Traumatic shock activates the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis (HPA) to mediate a cascade of defensive mechanisms that often include overwhelming inflammatory response and immunosuppression, which may lead to multiple organ failure. In a relevant traumatic hemorrhagic shock rodent model that applies to both combat and civilian sectors, AET provided a significant protective effect and improved survival. In a murine thermal injury model that includes glucocorticoid-induced osteopenia, AET significantly preserved bone mineral content, restored whole body bone mineral content and bone growth, suggesting reversal of GC-mediated adverse effects.

    Since AET is a naturally occurring compound there is no patent protection leaving the door wide open for AET analogue research. Harbor BioSciences, Inc. – http://www.harborbiosciences.com/ (Public, OTC:HRBR – http://www.google.com/finance?q=OTC:HRBR ) is exploring a synthetic derivative of AET for the treatment of diseases with underlying chronic inflammation. HRBR has developed 17alpha-Ethynyl-5-androsten-3beta, 7beta, 17beta-triol (HE3286), a synthetic derivative AET. (1, 2, 4, 7)

    Within the past two years, animal model studies of HE3286 successfully demonstrate the treatment of lung inflammation without immune suppression, the reduction of established disease of rheumatoid arthritis, and both glucose-lowering and cholesterol-lowering effects. Harbor BioSciences most ambitious project to date is their recently released data regarding that plasma levels of AET positively correlate with BMI in healthy men and women.(1) These observations suggest a compensatory role for AET in preventing the development of metabolic syndrome and obesity. The AET structural core may provide the basis for novel pharmaceuticals to treat this disease, HE3286. Stay tuned.


    1. Auci DL, Ahlem CN, Kennedy MR, Page TM, Reading CL, Frincke JM. A Potential Role for 5-Androstene-3[beta],7[beta],17[beta]-triol in Obesity and Metabolic Syndrome. Obesity. http://www.nature.com/oby/journal/va...y2010204a.html

    2. Conrad D, Wang A, Pieters R, et al. HE3286, an oral synthetic steroid, treats lung inflammation in mice without immune suppression. Journal of Inflammation 2010;7(1):52. http://www.journal-inflammation.com/content/7/1/52

    3. Loria RM. Antiglucocorticoid function of androstenetriol. Psychoneuroendocrinology 1997;22 Suppl 1:S103-8.

    4. Lu M, Patsouris D, Li P, et al. A new antidiabetic compound attenuates inflammation and insulin resistance in Zucker diabetic fatty rats. American Journal of Physiology – Endocrinology And Metabolism 2010;298(5):E1036-E48. http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/298/5/E1036.full

    5. Malik AK, Khaldoyanidi S, Auci DL, et al. 5-androstene-3?,7?,17?-triol (?-AET) Slows Thermal Injury Induced Osteopenia in Mice: Relation to Aging and Osteoporosis. PLoS ONE;5(10):e13566. http://www.plosone.org/article/info:...l.pone.0013566

    6. Marcu AC, Paccione KE, Barbee RW, et al. Androstenetriol Immunomodulation Improves Survival in a Severe Trauma Hemorrhage Shock Model. The Journal of Trauma 2007;63(3):662-9.

    7. Offner H, Firestein GS, Boyle DL, et al. An Orally Bioavailable Synthetic Analog of an Active Dehydroepiandrosterone Metabolite Reduces Established Disease in Rodent Models of Rheumatoid Arthritis. Journal of Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics 2009;329(3):1100-9. http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/329/3/1100.full

    8. Stiles AR, McDonald JG, Bauman DR, Russell DW. CYP7B1: One Cytochrome P450, Two Human Genetic Diseases, and Multiple Physiological Functions. Journal of Biological Chemistry 2009;284(42):28485-9.
    There's quite a bit of information on this compound, and it's extensive benefits!
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  13. it's rare to find something that offers such broad spectrum of benefits
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  14. so would you say its like 7-keto, fatloss and cortisol reduction without the andro addtion that 11 has?

    Curious where this fits in

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Toff View Post
    so would you say its like 7-keto, fatloss and cortisol reduction without the andro addtion that 11 has?

    Curious where this fits in
    7-keto get's it's cortisol reduction properties from it's conversion to b-AET, but that's a low conversion rate. 7-keto is more thermogenic and less cortisol reduction.

    11-keto is a different type of product. Again, it has no impact on cortisol levels in the body, it impacts cortisol via 11hsb1 (only certain tissue, muscle/liver/fat cells). It does very little to offer any health benefits.

    7-keto and b-AET would be a great stack!

    there have been some guys who stacked invictus with 11-keto with some solid results. It's a very versatile product
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  16. Is that better than arimistane for cortisol control?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by alvin1 View Post
    Is that better than arimistane for cortisol control?
    I would venture to say, significantly!

    there are tons of studies for b-AET and it's benefits on cortisol control, and benefits for improving immune response, weight loss/obesity, reducing inflammation, correcting blood sugar, etc...I have not seen any studies for arimistane for these things (not to say they don't exist, but I've never seen them in the research that I've done).

  18. Invictus for 40% off? Holy crap.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by ma70 View Post
    Invictus for 40% off? Holy crap.
    right?!

  20. Quote Originally Posted by delsolrob View Post
    right?!
    Absolute steal for something that actually works.

  21. Just want to give Iron-Legion rep a BIG thank you for all the help with my order! excellent customer service!
    Will have 3 bottles of Invictus to enjoy thru the next year : ) (but will prob order more ;D )

  22. Its a great ingred in td!

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  23. Just ordered some, that is a great sale. I wish Virtus was in stock to try that as well.

  24. Awesome, thank you for your order!

    We're aiming to have virtus around the 22nd. Be sure you sign up for our mail list to ensure you get in on the re-intro sale on it
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  25. would love to try, but unfortunately you guys have like the most ridiculous international shipping prices i've ever seen
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