Its not 350mg Arachidonic acid. It is 350 of powder, of which 5% is Ara. So it's not a good deal at all.
The gods have spoken and SNS will remain king
This. If it sounds too good to be true or out of the ordinary it's probably not the best quality. I would stick with OL or BLR or Vital Labs if you're looking for an epicatechin product.
It's unfortunate that they do not disclose the amount of Arachidonic Acid it is standardised for. We have 625mg of Ara oil per capsule, and so if we just stated that number without the standardization, it would look like an amazing amount per capsule. But ours is at 40% Ara, and we licence the ingredient as well. You can be sure these guys do not.
Not saying that you are wrong, but how do you know it is powder and 5%? There is no information on the label. Reviews seem to be alright
nutra innovations- not what you mentioned sells epicatechin at 300 mgs per cap- and NutraChem can vouch for our quality tallguy34 as well
What product is that?
Because I'm a genius.
There are reviews for a lot of things that legimately do nothing. Obviously this will do something, but reviews are highly susceptible to placebo.
I won't buy it as there is no disclosure, was just wondering how you could know the numbers. I can't even find whether it is a softgel or not and for instance, there was a reputable UK supplier in the past that offered a 10% powder and not 5%.
Even at 10% of 350mg, you're looking at 35mg of Ara per cap. Considering results are best seen at near a gram, it's a long way to go to get there.
I agree with all of this and I would never buy it, but as there is no way to know it is still difficult to judge. In theory, there could be about 1,7g per cap standardized at 20% leading to 350mg ArA, but could also be 350 of non standardized powder.
Do not buy this!
There is a guy with videos on youtube that sells some products including ARA,is that one crap too?
If it's not SNS X-Gels or Molecular Nutrition X-Factor, then most likely
Are you referring to " Dr. Tony Huge" from Enhanced Athlete?
Yes
I contacted them a while back, and they confirmed that it was either 5 or 10% ara. Their rationale for doing this is that if you pay attention to the oil based products "there is no way that you are getting 250mg per cap." I was then warned not to dose enough to get 250 mg of the powder (7-8 caps).
They confirmed it was either 5% or 10%? So, they confirmed nothing?
"no way" except for the fact that MN and SNS use the same source for the ArA aka the patent holder.
We have 250mg per cap. That I promise you. We source it from the patent holder.
I believe the original olympus labs Ep1c was dosed at 300mg epicatechin per capsule. Of course it had no absorption enhancers because it was a first generation product. None the less, I've ran a few bottles of the OG version when it first came out and enjoyed it. Noticed endurance benefits and energy when taken before a workout.
Nothing.
No endurance or anything? I was never onboard with myostatin inhibition from an OTC supp, but it seemed to have other nice benefits
Nope. I do 45 min of MISS cardio every other day - going on 2.5 years now... what's a bottle of -(-)epi going to do?
It's healthy, but I'd consider it like eating Broccoli or something - not acute/ergogenic (unless your endurance sucks normally I guess).
and why 300mgs, its a dose that wasn't even studied.
Ive run it twice, two different reliable companies and have not noticed much of anything. I suppose it gave me a bit of a bump in terms of endurance but ive been focusing on purely strength lifting for nearly 2 years now so it doesnt do me much good in that regard
that is a good question
If youre asking me I have no idea. Just thought I'd ask around here what people thought
maybe more is not better, maybe something else happens at 300mgs...
OR maybe... you become superhuman
that is acute dosing to test concentration, did they study 200mgs over time? if I remember, could be wrong, the study lasted 7-14 days? I guess I should click and read..
5 days iirc. 50 mg twice a day and 50 mg once a day.
No idea. I took a few months worth of 150mg, then 150mg x 2 and didn't see Jack. After that, quit looking into it. The people that sell it though, would post any new research - and the last one was that chart.... then crickets. See what you can find, it's not on my "re-purchase list"
. Human subjects were treated for 7 days with 25 mg of pure Epi (Sigma-Aldrich) provided in capsules BID (~1 mg/kg/day). Muscle strength was assessed by hand grip dynamometry (thrice with each hand, alternating hands between trials and resting for 10 seconds in order to prevent fatigue). Maximum strength attained was used for analysis. Blood (plasma) samples were collected before and after treatment and immediately frozen. Studies in human subjects were approved by the Instituto Politecnico Nacional IRB board and conform to all international regulations.
Ah, I remembered it wrong then as 50 mg per dose once a day vs twice a day.
I also need to look back, these compounds may have the ability to shift muscle fiber type from fast to slow twitch, hence the endurance and grip strength increasing....
I think that guy that pushes boron to everyone convinced the supplement world that more is needed..
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