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I've been lifting for roughly 6 years, and after a several month hiatus have decided to go natty again. I've taken things like Animal M-Stak before I juiced, and really enjoyed the effects.
Now I know most will tell me that the effects are nothing like DS/PH, but in russian studies and rat studies, they were able to build muscle MASS with visually noticed results. I've noticed that these days, most people are skeptical and also don't want to spend the money needed to get the potential effects of Beta-Ecdysterone/Turkesterone, etc. But I, as well as a handful of others have faith in these extracts and swear by them, however, when it comes to visual results, they seem to fall short.
So, I have contemplated several different observations and strategies with said substances to experiment and see what I can make happen:
1. Ecdysterone and Turkesterone are usually vastly underdosed and poorly sourced from companies with no 3rd party testing and rarely if ever carry high purity products. So first, I would like to find better sources of both products from reputable sources. Figuring out a dose in which these may actually have a noticable anabolic effect is something that nobody can seem to agree on.
2. Bioavailability seems to not be particularily high or low, and thus I am looking foot suggestions as how to make them more orally bioavailable, such as bioperine, grapefruit extract, etc, WHATEVER is going to help increase absorption, as well as timing of doses.
3. Addition of synergistic compounds. This I have no experience in but any suggestions as to other products which may make these work better for mass building would be appreciated. I do know that ecdy products work well with leucine, and so favorable doses of some type or types of Leucine would be happening.
4. Non-related areas of anabolism that would help potentiate the effects, such as test boosting, cortisol control, vitamin synergy, or things like laxogenin, epicatechin, myostatin inhibition, you know, anything that may help and also anyhings where the positives may end up doing more harm than good.
Coming from an ex juicer, I can see the upset with natty lifters being consistently leagues behind juicers, and I really want to find a natty way to build muscle similar to that at least of weaker PHs, regardless of the cost.
I am looking for knowledge and tips and a collaborative effort, not flaming, if you have negative comments, keep them to yourselves and lets the rest strive for natty gains regardless of how futile.
Now I know most will tell me that the effects are nothing like DS/PH, but in russian studies and rat studies, they were able to build muscle MASS with visually noticed results. I've noticed that these days, most people are skeptical and also don't want to spend the money needed to get the potential effects of Beta-Ecdysterone/Turkesterone, etc. But I, as well as a handful of others have faith in these extracts and swear by them, however, when it comes to visual results, they seem to fall short.
So, I have contemplated several different observations and strategies with said substances to experiment and see what I can make happen:
1. Ecdysterone and Turkesterone are usually vastly underdosed and poorly sourced from companies with no 3rd party testing and rarely if ever carry high purity products. So first, I would like to find better sources of both products from reputable sources. Figuring out a dose in which these may actually have a noticable anabolic effect is something that nobody can seem to agree on.
2. Bioavailability seems to not be particularily high or low, and thus I am looking foot suggestions as how to make them more orally bioavailable, such as bioperine, grapefruit extract, etc, WHATEVER is going to help increase absorption, as well as timing of doses.
3. Addition of synergistic compounds. This I have no experience in but any suggestions as to other products which may make these work better for mass building would be appreciated. I do know that ecdy products work well with leucine, and so favorable doses of some type or types of Leucine would be happening.
4. Non-related areas of anabolism that would help potentiate the effects, such as test boosting, cortisol control, vitamin synergy, or things like laxogenin, epicatechin, myostatin inhibition, you know, anything that may help and also anyhings where the positives may end up doing more harm than good.
Coming from an ex juicer, I can see the upset with natty lifters being consistently leagues behind juicers, and I really want to find a natty way to build muscle similar to that at least of weaker PHs, regardless of the cost.
I am looking for knowledge and tips and a collaborative effort, not flaming, if you have negative comments, keep them to yourselves and lets the rest strive for natty gains regardless of how futile.
