Taking Creating or CEE with NO2

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    Taking Creating or CEE with NO2


    Hey. I noticed that ALRI says NGorge is especially good because it uses both CEE and NO2 and both get used by the body.. I just placed my order - but - in the meantime, is there a good way to take these two supplements without the NO2 cancelling out the CEE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance
    Hey. I noticed that ALRI says NGorge is especially good because it uses both CEE and NO2 and both get used by the body.. I just placed my order - but - in the meantime, is there a good way to take these two supplements without the NO2 cancelling out the CEE?

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    They won't cancel each other out!. What gave you that idea?
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    They work quite well with each other..basically delivering ATP at different rates as they metabolize and a whole host of other benefits.
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    Maybe I read that completely wrong. Here's what I read on the site:

    “Mitochondrial creatine transport was to a significant part dependent on the energetic state of mitochondria and was inhibited by arginine, and to some extent also by lysine, but not by other creatine analogues and related compounds.?

    And this statement holds true whether AAKG, arginine-malate, or even AEE (arginine ethyl ester) is used in the formula! “Hmmm, no wonder I wasn’t getting any stronger or bigger on creatine/NO2 product ‘X, Y, or Z...I wasn’t even absorbing the freaking creatine!!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance
    Maybe I read that completely wrong. Here's what I read on the site:

    “Mitochondrial creatine transport was to a significant part dependent on the energetic state of mitochondria and was inhibited by arginine, and to some extent also by lysine, but not by other creatine analogues and related compounds.?

    And this statement holds true whether AAKG, arginine-malate, or even AEE (arginine ethyl ester) is used in the formula! “Hmmm, no wonder I wasn’t getting any stronger or bigger on creatine/NO2 product ‘X, Y, or Z...I wasn’t even absorbing the freaking creatine!!?

    What site was this?. Is it a site selling some other kind of supplement and bashing on No2/creatine products?. I don't know about that, I for one don't believe it. Consider the source ...
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    I really haven't heard that before but I suppose there could be some kind of absorption issues. I tend to take my diarg malate at different times than my CEE any way and there seems to be an additive effect.

    Perhaps more informed minds can answer this.
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    It's on the ALRI site... Within the description of N'Gorge...
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    Sorry I just don't believe that. Its total BS in my opinion, but believe what you want. Besides, it looks like that study was done with regular creatine mono and not CEE. Marketing, Marketing, Marketing!
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    So it may be true for something like NOxplode, which I would never purchase because of the ingredient profile anyway. I mean its an NO supplement loaded with caffine!. The reason they add the caffine is because a lot of idiots will think "wow this stuff really works!" because of the burst of energy they get from the caffine. In reality though, the caffine is interfering with the NO and the creatine. The caffine in that supplement is really the only thing causing the effects people get from it.
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    According to ALRI, high doses of NO boosters such as arginine, CM, DCM etc..impact the absorption of creatine. His product has a very low dose of NO precursors, the blend is only 550mg, so comparing that to up to 10g of arginine, that is quite a difference. His NO precursors are also much more bioavailable by tweaking their structures, so a lower dose can be used, having much less interference with creatine absorption. Also as he claims which I feel is true, is what is the point of taking a NO product, they havent been proven to have any effects on strength/lbm, I have seen a few studies claiming this, they just make you feel bigger for a couple hours then its gone. Personally I have never even hardly noticed a pump from NO supplements. Zero Tolerance, you could have Author answer this question for you if you post it in the ALRI section, he should be able to shed more light on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
    According to ALRI, high doses of NO boosters such as arginine, CM, DCM etc..impact the absorption of creatine. His product has a very low dose of NO precursors, the blend is only 550mg, so comparing that to up to 10g of arginine, that is quite a difference. His NO precursors are also much more bioavailable by tweaking their structures, so a lower dose can be used, having much less interference with creatine absorption. Also as he claims which I feel is true, is what is the point of taking a NO product, they havent been proven to have any effects on strength/lbm, I have seen a few studies claiming this, they just make you feel bigger for a couple hours then its gone. Personally I have never even hardly noticed a pump from NO supplements. Zero Tolerance, you could have Author answer this question for you if you post it in the ALRI section, he should be able to shed more light on the subject.
    No offense to ALRI, I do plan on trying some of there products in the future...But I have had very good results with one particular NO2 product. I used MRI's No2 when it first hit the market and made consderable gains in muscle mass and strength. Personally though I don't believe some of the claims on his website and this claim of interference of arginine with creatine, even though there is a study....I don't usually look at the studies....If I want to know if a product works or not I'll try it and if it works for me, I will continue to make purchases of that product in the future. Besides there are always going to be conflicting opinions and conflicting studies, so the only way to find out if it works for you or not is to try it out yourself.
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    I totally agree T-Bone, just have to try it yourself and see if it works for you, if it works for someone else it may work for you, and vice versa. Alot of the stuff out there is just for marketing. I know a few people who liked MRI's NO2, but one of my friends who responds well to most supplements ran 2 bottles of it back to back and didnt notice jack, I have heard more negative reports on it than positive, just my experience. Some people may get the placebo effect from it, because if you read the book 21 day transformation, by the time you are done you pretty much thing you are taking something better than steroids, and just that mindset in itself can have a big impact on your results.
  

  
 

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