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As simple as it can be. Which one do you like more? Both can be bought in big quantity for a reasonable price for the amount of goodies it brings.
Citrulline has my vote!As simple as it can be. Which one do you like more? Both can be bought in big quantity for a reasonable price for the amount of goodies it brings.
Sure does. That's who gets my business for all my staples, Cit Mal included : )Serious nutrition solutions offers single ingredients such as Agmatine. Very cost effective.
We actually offer both but Agmatine is by far my favoriteSerious nutrition solutions offers single ingredients such as Agmatine. Very cost effective.
These two should never need to be separated, it's like peanut butter and jelly, chocolate cake and milk...
But, if I were forced, I would go agmatine.
Its interesting that you guys mentioned that.Use them together!
If I had to really choose between just one, I'd go with L-Citrulline.
Not saying I agree but it was interesting as it tosses this premise in the face of everyone and their sister producing products with both in them that we all quickly discern as efficacious and safe and healthy (remembering the BS arguments from the anti nitrates crowd).Does Not Go Well With
L-Arginine and L-Citrulline (for some neurological effects; cardiovascular interactions not well elucidated)
Yohimbine and Rauwolscine (Agmatine activates the α2A receptor that these inhibit)
D-Aspartic Acid due to reducing signalling via the NMDA receptors
Alcohol coingestion (may increase ulceration from alcohol)
Creatine (on the assumption that creatine positively influences NMDA signalling, agmatine works in the opposite manner at the same site; they should not be antagonstic for muscle growth or nitric oxide boosting)
https://examine.com/supplements/Agmatine/
Nor did I. Nor am I saying I know enough about the physiology to know for myself but do even the manufacturers know this and/or is this a credible assertion?Whoa,didn't even think that agmatine doesn't go well with the ingredients above.
Very interested to know this as well. Not only will it save me money,but also possible sides if that's trueNor did I. Nor am I saying I know enough about the physiology to know for myself but do even the manufacturers know this and/or is this a credible assertion?
I'm not inclined to believe nor consider the bro science guy that says "I've been using both for years and I have no sides" BS statement. Is this a physiological issue or not? Does this source have merit?
Anecdotally I have zero issue and they are awesome and efficacious pre workout ingredients that I mix in my home brew formula. But being intelligent and inquisitive I wouldn't mind at least knowing if there is any validity to the neurological and cardiovascular risk.Very interested to know this as well. Not only will it save me money,but also possible sides if that's true
I am fairly certain that what is meant by that is taking those ingredients with agmatine can reduce/diminish some of the beneficial effects agmatine can have on those particular parameters, not that there is a risk in regards to those areas when combining the two. Think how yohimbine doesn't work well with food; it's not dangerous, it's just not effective.Anecdotally I have zero issue and they are awesome and efficacious pre workout ingredients that I mix in my home brew formula. But being intelligent and inquisitive I wouldn't mind at least knowing if there is any validity to the neurological and cardiovascular risk.
I remember there was a thread that debunked this study. I've tried searching for it but couldn't find it. Perhaps someone can dig it up?Its interesting that you guys mentioned that.
Get a read on this:
Not saying I agree but it was interesting as it tosses this premise in the face of everyone and their sister producing products with both in them that we all quickly discern as efficacious and safe and healthy (remembering the BS arguments from the anti nitrates crowd).
Any merit?
Yep, I am aware of that study but don't give it any credit as there hasn't been anything further to support it and they are not talking about the overall benefits that you can derive from each. From a purely anecdotal standpoint, they work wonderful together and I see the effects more when combined than when taken separately.Nor did I. Nor am I saying I know enough about the physiology to know for myself but do even the manufacturers know this and/or is this a credible assertion?
I'm not inclined to believe nor consider the bro science guy that says "I've been using both for years and I have no sides" BS statement. Is this a physiological issue or not? Does this source have merit?
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