11-oxo TD

[AdelV]

Who had this used transdermal?

I have 11-oxoderm, claims contains 450mg per serving.

I'm looking for suggestions on PCT? Serm required, or something like OL Super PCT?

Is 4 weeks good enough or better to save for 8 week cycle?

Thank you

 

[infinitepower]

you running this solo? its a very mild compound but I would still pct. Im not a big fan of OTC PCT's but im sure you can get away with using one. 11-oxo is usually never run alone its pretty mild.

 

[dvw]

Twice daily application at that dosage and transdermal delivery will be very effective. 900 mg transdermal is about same as oral 1800 mg. If you run that for 6 weeks you can loose 5-6 lbs body fat, gain 2-3 lbs muscle. Patrick Arnold the one who brought compound to the market said no pct.

 

[AdelV]

Twice daily application at that dosage and transdermal delivery will be very effective. 900 mg transdermal is about same as oral 1800 mg. If you run that for 6 weeks you can loose 5-6 lbs body fat, gain 2-3 lbs muscle. Patrick Arnold the one who brought compound to the market said no pct.

It would be run solo, but it's actually 1ml = 2 pumps a day = 450mg.

Double dose would be really expensive haha. I have read of good results tho.

 

[ma70]

900mg TD 11-oxo and no PCT? Beast....LOL. But eh, I guess it depends on the length you run it too. Good luck!

 

[dvw]

I ran thats dose for 30 days and used LGI rehab pct supplement and was ok.

 

[dvw]

Joints were very very dry though!!

 

[AdelV]

900mg TD 11-oxo and no PCT? Beast....LOL. But eh, I guess it depends on the length you run it too. Good luck!

It's 450mg TD, tho their information states ita equal to 1200mg of oral 11-oxo.

I assume O/Labs Super PCT would be alright? I spose you could run low dose serm for 7 days just to kick start? :/

 

[HIT4ME]

I would hold out for Olympus Labs' 11-KT product or go with Icon 11

 

[HIT4ME]

Also, better safe than sorry on PCT. Nolva, 7keto DHEA, DAA and Alphamax XT are my standard PCT for this stuff...it is overkill and only needed at higher doses...but does that really matter?

 

[dvw]

I doubt 450 mg td delivery system from platinum nutra equates to 1200mg oral

 

[AdelV]

I would hold out for Olympus Labs' 11-KT product or go with Icon 11

I already have 2 bottles tho, so it makes no difference.

I'll still probably buy OL's when it's released ?

 

[hvactech]

 

[HIT4ME]

I already have 2 bottles tho, so it makes no difference.

I'll still probably buy OL's when it's released ��

Cool - in that case, you should run a PCT (in my opinion) - so why don't you wait until you can get some Super-11 or 11-K Test, etc. and then do an 8 week or 12 week cycle? That way, one PCT will cover you.

 

[Quads_of_Stee]

Also, better safe than sorry on PCT. Nolva, 7keto DHEA, DAA and Alphamax XT are my standard PCT for this stuff...it is overkill and only needed at higher doses...but does that really matter?

There's a killer deal at nutriverse on alphamax+x gels for $65 using ALPHAGELS. amazing pct addition as it covers many bases that you need and the ara will keep you nice and full

 

[yenohregdab]

Sexy bottle.

Good to see companys getting 11-kt out there again.

 

[chainsaw]

Who and when is there going to be a release of 11kt... I want some

 

[AdelV]

Who and when is there going to be a release of 11kt... I want some

Olympus Labs, and very soon I heard.

 

[CATdiesel76]

Olympus Labs, and very soon I heard.

Alpha Gainz is another. PA tests their raws as well

 

[GQNemesis]

Yup I have couple of pni 11oxo derm saved up myself

900mg application.. Def would suggest pct, don't care how mild it is

 

[chainsaw]

How do you dose since it's transdermal... I took 900mg 11oxo back in the day

 

[GQNemesis]

How do you dose since it's transdermal... I took 900mg 11oxo back in the day

Apply gel to arms, shoulders or stomach.

 

[chainsaw]

Right, but what amount

 

[GQNemesis]

Right, but what amount

start with 1 ML for a week .. then slowly increase to 2ml

 

[Misfit28]

Not sure if the pump changed on PN's 11-OXO, they said it was. Mine was a pain to get right, lol.

I'd use an oral syringe to ensure proper dosing.

 

[yenohregdab]

Honestly so excited about 11-kt coming back. Just hope the price is ok.

 

[hvactech]

Not sure if the pump changed on PN's 11-OXO, they said it was. Mine was a pain to get right, lol.

I'd use an oral syringe to ensure proper dosing.

I was completely let down by their 11oxo

 

[TommyTuffGuy]

Is 11-KT capsules or a transdermal?

I used 11-OXO from Epharm (I believe?) back in the day and got super cut up.

 

[AdelV]

Is 11-KT capsules or a transdermal?

I used 11-OXO from Epharm (I believe?) back in the day and got super cut up.

What dosage? I still have 10 bottles of it.

I think the new 11-KT is transdermal.

 

[Alex281]

Is 11-KT capsules or a transdermal?

I used 11-OXO from Epharm (I believe?) back in the day and got super cut up.

11 oxo = oral and transdermal
11 kt = only transdermal

 

[rascal14]

11 oxo = oral and transdermal
11 kt = only transdermal

Same hormone?

 

[Ape McGrapes]

Same hormone?

One is the precursor and the other the active hormone.

Seems both can be oral or transdermal.

 

[hvactech]

KT is the superior form

 

[NutraTeam]

11K-TEST = Lab tested and 60ml 75mg/ml

 

[TommyTuffGuy]

I am unsure. It was one of those "I don't know if this really works" supplement, then months later I'd look at pictures of me when I was on it and I was super slim due to it.

 

[delsolrob]

11-keto is far superior to 11-oxo...11-oxo is the pro hormone to 11-keto.

While you could take 11-keto orally, I would advise against it...it's not a cheap compound and the required oral dosage would likely make it more spendy than it is.

 

[delsolrob]

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-deals/280198-iconic-formulations-olympus.html

NV is offering 20% off Icon 11

 

[Sculptor]

How much 11 keto is in icon 11?

 

[Yanks]

Yeah I was wondering this as well ^

 

[Ape McGrapes]

80mg/ml @30ml

 

[delsolrob]

80mg/ml @30ml

85mg/ml

 

[Ape McGrapes]

85mg/ml

Woops!

 

[Dsuemg]

2 bottles needed then to run properly?

 

[WAF]

AdelV do yourself a favor and wait till you have the funds together if that's the issue. Run it for 8weeks with proper dosing instead of doing a mild run on a mild compound, in the end you will save money. Plan every run out to avoid any issues. Just my opinion though.

 

[Whacked]

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-deals/280198-iconic-formulations-olympus.html

NV is offering 20% off Icon 11

Recommended dose (that will actually produce results vs the crap they put on the bottles)?

 

[Sculptor]

This^

 

[Whacked]

Also - while I understand 11-KT has a systemic effect via its TD MOA, but does it have any amplified localized effects if used on the face or belly. Thanks

 

[delsolrob]

Also - while I understand 11-KT has a systemic effect via its TD MOA, but does it have any amplified localized effects if used on the face or belly. Thanks

most people use 1.5 - 2ml per day.

There is no localized effect with 11-keto.

The belly is usually a poor choice of application spots...chest, shoulders, inner bicep, upper back, neck are a few of my favorite application sites. But, the tops of the feet and behind the knees work well too.

 

[Whacked]

most people use 1.5 - 2ml per day.

There is no localized effect with 11-keto.

The belly is usually a poor choice of application spots...chest, shoulders, inner bicep, upper back, neck are a few of my favorite application sites. But, the tops of the feet and behind the knees work well too.

Rob - any joint soreness from the lowered cortisol?
Any lethargy or fatigue as well?

 

[delsolrob]

Rob - any joint soreness from the lowered cortisol?
Any lethargy or fatigue as well?

I've not had sides or issues with 11-keto. I've never had any issues with cortisol modulating compounds, but I'm just now trying Iron Legions Invictus and will be keeping my eyes peeled.