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So I have borderline stage 1 hypertension and was prescribed propranolol for it. It did work quite well at lowering it, except I had some reactions/side effects from it and had to get off of it. The high BP has now returned and I need something to get it back down and keep it there. I have already done what I can do without any supplements to lower it i.e. Exercise,reduce sodium intake increase water intake etc and that has helped but it still needs to come down more. I know that Hawthorne berry works to lower BP so I just got some of that but I wanted to know what else is effective for lowering the BP. Essentially I'm trying to build a BP lowering stack for myself. If you know anything else that works besides the Hawthorne berry let me know. thanks.
 
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Celery Seed extract can be helpful. Hawthorne as well just needs a few weeks to take effect. Coq10 and fish oil as well.
 

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Garlic is probably the best I've used. Hawthorne and celery don't have data, but they appear to work for most. A daily nitrate product could help too
 
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Garlic is probably the best I've used. Hawthorne and celery don't have data, but they appear to work for most. A daily nitrate product could help too
As always, this is good advice - I was going to say a nitrate product, or just agmatine may be worth looking at.

Just hypothesizing here, but I think resveratrol may be helpful here too - it's an arginase inhibitor supposedly, which may help your nitrate product last longer?
 

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Garlic is probably the best I've used. Hawthorne and celery don't have data, but they appear to work for most. A daily nitrate product could help too
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I use hawthorn which has seemed to help ( in the cycle support I am using ) I don't supplement with garlic but I do eat a lot of it; nitrates seem to help somewhat as does the baby asprin I added in.


What about higher doses of Fish Oil or foods in general rich in omega3's which has also lowered my blood pressure
 
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Just from personal use and looking at my own blood pressure, celery seed extract has worked for me.
 
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So I have borderline stage 1 hypertension and was prescribed propranolol for it. It did work quite well at lowering it, except I had some reactions/side effects from it and had to get off of it. The high BP has now returned and I need something to get it back down and keep it there. I have already done what I can do without any supplements to lower it i.e. Exercise,reduce sodium intake increase water intake etc and that has helped but it still needs to come down more. I know that Hawthorne berry works to lower BP so I just got some of that but I wanted to know what else is effective for lowering the BP. Essentially I'm trying to build a BP lowering stack for myself. If you know anything else that works besides the Hawthorne berry let me know. thanks.
I've tried a lot of things.

(-)epi - not very effective at all. A few points at most movement

KN03 - works pretty good. Keep in mind that it takes about 3 full hours to reach maximal potency with regards to lowering BP. I don't have the study in front of me, but it lowered Systolic pressure by 10 points on average iirc. Remind me and I'll dig it up.

Hawthorn Berry - didn't do much

Citruline/cit mal - didn't do much

Grape Seed Extract - worked well actually. I was kind of surprised by this

Coq10 - minor but notable decrease in BP

Increase Potassium intake - didn't do much
 
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Garlic is probably the best I've used. Hawthorne and celery don't have data, but they appear to work for most. A daily nitrate product could help too
Have found one more VERY effective ingred that will be in the SNS BP product :)
Celery Seed works great for myself and its pretty inexpensive
 
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Have found one more VERY effective ingred that will be in the SNS BP product :)
Celery Seed works great for myself and its pretty inexpensive
Looking forward to this! People will be very pleased with it.

On that note, if you consider yourself even 'mildly overweight', dropping a few lbs will make a world of difference
 

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While I have not tried it myself, I have seen quite a bit of solid feedback on Carditone.

Another option is a very low dose Cialis :)
 
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Coq10 and Grape Seed Extract plus my fish oil and multi has helped me with BP.
 
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As always, this is good advice - I was going to say a nitrate product, or just agmatine may be worth looking at.

Just hypothesizing here, but I think resveratrol may be helpful here too - it's an arginase inhibitor supposedly, which may help your nitrate product last longer?
Res is pretty much worthless in humans tbh. I would personally use any of these: garlic, magnesium chelate, nitrates. Regarding celery seed extract, there was a pilot study in 2013 but nothing else since.
 
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This is not a recommendation but simply an observation but I noticed BLR's new Follidrone 2.0 product claims to have an ingredient that is an natural ACE inhibitor...may be worth further investigation.

Edit: well, on second thought not that interesting

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21556221/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23126663/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21717516/

Appears to have a slight lowering of BP but results are inconsistent. Further, if I read correctly, where there was a lowering effect there was also a significant reduction in both BMI and fat ratio. As already mentioned above, losing a little weight will reduce BP...
 
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Spirulina over a moderate period has some decent effects on reducing both systolic and diastolic BP. As well as a heap of other beneficial effects. This probably isn't on par in regards to controlling BP as other stuff mentioned in this thread, but it is still worth mentioning.
 
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Res is pretty much worthless in humans tbh. I would personally use any of these: garlic, magnesium chelate, nitrates. Regarding celery seed extract, there was a pilot study in 2013 but nothing else since.
Overhyped I get, but worthless in humans? It may not protect against CVD and such, but it doesn't have any effect? I'd be interested to hear what you know ....
 

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Garlic is probably the best I've used. Hawthorne and celery don't have data, but they appear to work for most. A daily nitrate product could help too
Res is pretty much worthless in humans tbh. I would personally use any of these: garlic, magnesium chelate, nitrates. Regarding celery seed extract, there was a pilot study in 2013 but nothing else since.
You guys read the Kyolic AGE study that was posted at the other forum a few months back? It was more focused on artherosclerosis than bp I think, though.

Is whole garlic generally going to be just as beneficial for heart/vessel health as the Kyolic extract? As in, fresh garlic vs aged extract.
 

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I'm on TRT and citrulline, hawthorne berry, and agmatine are gold with BP. I have experimented with my doc to see the benefits and 2 weeks on and 2 weeks without can change systolic numbers by 20 points. Diastolic numbers are less affected, but there is nothing I know of that can change numbers like that OTC. And this is on TRT, so with natural folks, this should be even more effective.
 

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I use hawthorn, celery seed and coq10 and they work for me. I am interested in the new SNS BP product. Any more information on it? ETA?
 
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Cinnamon
Fish oil
Coq 10
Garlic
 
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Awesome responses people thank you. my body fat/weight is ok, I hover between 10-15% bf. I take a fish oil and coq10 supp regularly. I just started taking the Hawthorne berry so I'll see if that helps. So garlic is the only supp with data behind it? I've never tried a garlic supp but I'm gonna give that a try also. I would love to try the new sns BP product also when comes out.
 
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In addition to those that got mentioned, Forskolin also lowers my blood pressure
 
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There's a lot of herbal teas that can be used for blood pressure. Even liver detoxification.
 
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I use hawthorn, celery seed and coq10 and they work for me. I am interested in the new SNS BP product. Any more information on it? ETA?
Not at this stage but we will let you know closer to the time :D
 
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Awesome responses people thank you. my body fat/weight is ok, I hover between 10-15% bf. I take a fish oil and coq10 supp regularly. I just started taking the Hawthorne berry so I'll see if that helps. So garlic is the only supp with data behind it? I've never tried a garlic supp but I'm gonna give that a try also. I would love to try the new sns BP product also when comes out.
I wouldn't say it is the only substance with data for BP. Nitrates were probably the first thing that we found to lower BP. I could be wrong, but from my understanding they are under utilized and not used for BP treatment for a few reasons, but a big reason is they don't remain active for long periods of time. So if someone has super high BP, and a nitrate reduces it, it may wear off during the day and they would still be at risk, unless you had a multi-dose protocol.

Arginine should be great at BP reduction I think, but it will be short lived. Thus my resveratrol thoughts - to make it last longer before the body breaks it down, but Synapsin doesn't think Res works in humans. To his point, I am rechecking and noting the majority of studies are in rats or Petri dishes, not humans, but I'd love to hear more of his thoughts in it.
 

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Nattokinase helps regulate blood flow and helped me tremendously with on cycle BP issues
 

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I wouldn't say it is the only substance with data for BP. Nitrates were probably the first thing that we found to lower BP. I could be wrong, but from my understanding they are under utilized and not used for BP treatment for a few reasons, but a big reason is they don't remain active for long periods of time. So if someone has super high BP, and a nitrate reduces it, it may wear off during the day and they would still be at risk, unless you had a multi-dose protocol.

Arginine should be great at BP reduction I think, but it will be short lived. Thus my resveratrol thoughts - to make it last longer before the body breaks it down, but Synapsin doesn't think Res works in humans. To his point, I am rechecking and noting the majority of studies are in rats or Petri dishes, not humans, but I'd love to hear more of his thoughts in it.
Nitrate patches can be used. The issue is that nitrates work chiefly in reducing VENOUS pressure. What you want for BP is to reduce ARTERIAL pressure. Now, reducing venous pressure can decrease preload and thus systolic BP, but that isn't achieving the full goal.
 
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Nitrate patches can be used. The issue is that nitrates work chiefly in reducing VENOUS pressure. What you want for BP is to reduce ARTERIAL pressure. Now, reducing venous pressure can decrease preload and thus systolic BP, but that isn't achieving the full goal.
Awesome info man, thank you!
 
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So how do we reduce arterial pressure? Something that will reduce/remove arterial plaque?
 
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So how do we reduce arterial pressure? Something that will reduce/remove arterial plaque?
Good luck finding something that can achieve a reversal of atherosclerosis. Usually something that dilates the arteries will reduce BP, and the best recommendations are in this thread.

Annnnnd maybe coming up in our new BP product
 

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A nitrate will be your best bet. IFN makes potassium nitrate for cheap and will really help control blood pressure better than most anything else as it is a direct acting nitrate. L-Theanine helps as well in addition to celery seed extract but my go to would be nitrates.
 
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celery seed
hawthorn
high dosed fish oil
nitrates
grape seed
garlic

the best ive ever used is cardarine but its more of a PED than a supplement
 
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Good luck finding something that can achieve a reversal of atherosclerosis.

Supposedly:

Chondroitin (mega dose)
AGE
Glisodin
There is some interesting research in the field of CKD which seems to point to the Vitamin K family, specifically K2 MK4 and MK7 as possible candidates in helping to at least slow down atherosclerosis (some postulate a reversal). However, those with CKD have the double whammy of deteriorating kidney function and dietary restrictions of foods that happen to also be high in K1/K2. Therefore, supplementation in healthy individuals who get enough K1/K2 from food may be a moot point...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22335014
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21088475
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26176325
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22516723
 
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Again, I think Resveratrol is a long shot - and a relatively expensive long shot, but here is a study that was done as a meta analysis of human studies supposedly. Sorry, I only have the abstract. It seems like the data indicates that high doses are necessary, there is no effect at low doses, and data is somewhat inconsistent at the high doses if I'm reading into this correctly without seeing the full documentation. But, it's just a study....it doesn't mean it's right or wrong. Synapsin has his doubts and I am sure he has good reason.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24731650

And here's a study in rats saying it doesn't help with BP:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26869812
 
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I make no claims as to efficacy, but one of the claims for Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth, is that it scrapes the Vein and Artery walls.
 
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I make no claims as to efficacy, but one of the claims for Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth, is that it scrapes the Vein and Artery walls.
Sounds painful. Haha
 
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Sounds painful. Haha
Nah, Diatoms are microscopic. I've taken DE for a long time before, its fine. *Supposed* to do a lot of healthy stuff, just nothing acute that you'd notice.
 
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Yeah, I was just making an attempt at funny
 

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Garlic is probably the best I've used. Hawthorne and celery don't have data, but they appear to work for most. A daily nitrate product could help too
What you'd recommend? Garlic poder, extract or actual garlic comsuption?
 
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Hawthorne berry has no doubt helped me and cheap too. Also helped my father who was able to get off his bp meds. At 12 bucks a bottle it's not bad. Probably cheaper online. Resveratol does not work for bp in my or my father's experience. But is good for circulatory system and helps w estro conversion from my understanding.
 
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As for the garlic, is it the allicin in garlic that works it's magic for lowering bp? Trying to choose a supp and I see that allicin is what everybody seems to be after in a garlic supp. But you can get pure allicin or whole garlic. Which one do I want to lower bp?
 
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It seems the allicin in garlic is the active ingredient responsible for lowering bp. Garlic also has detox effects as well so either would be good, it's apparently all about the dosage, as with most any supplement. But to answer your question- either will do as the allicin in garlic is responsible for the bp effects.
 

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