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Anyone here do this and if so do you believe sucralose is bad for gainz?
Do you mix your unflavored supps with anything or just use water?I'm using Stevia sweetened whey isolate and unflavored BCAA's and EAA's. I think it's a good way to control the overflow of artificial sweeteners by using unflavored when using a lot of amino acids for example.
Just water, BCAA's taste pretty horrible at first but you get used to it haha.Do you mix your unflavored supps with anything or just use water?
Lol, I don't know how people don't. I drink 1.5 gallons of the crystal light, plus a couple cups of coffee, plus a monster drink, plus pre workouts, amino IV, etc. I'm easily over 2 gals/day and I wake up at night thirsty. Sure, I piss a lot too....I don't know how people drink that much water. I piss around every 15 minutes as it is. Get up at least 4 times or more per night to piss.
Well, you are old.I don't know how people drink that much water. I piss around every 15 minutes as it is. Get up at least 4 times or more per night to piss.
I mix it with milk and then throw my protein in there as well.Do you mix your unflavored supps with anything or just use water?
-ThisI mix it with milk and then throw my protein in there as well.
I've been doing a lot of research lately on iodine levels and supplement additives as well as natural foods that cause a reduction in iodine. Goitrogenic foods have been on my radar lately. Over the past 2 years I have made a nearly every day habit to include raw broccoli and raw spinach in my meals .... and last month I began to exhibit symptoms of thyroid issues. Iodine being the main ingredient for proper hormone function, my research finally led me to the discovery that what I thought was healthy eating was actually hurting me. So, I started steaming my broccoli and spinach which I learned removes the goitrogenic enzyme, and a month later my symptoms have disappeared. kenpoengineer is spot on with the artificial sweeteners and iodine levels as well as gut flora. Further research confirmed this for me as well. Hence me staying away from inferior protein products and other supplements containing sucralose and other artificial sweeteners. Simple denatured low quality protein powders can have a toxic effect on iodine levels, gut flora and a host of other body functions. The heating process and acid filtration process etc. used in manufacturing lower quality protein powders denatures the proteins which causes a host of gut problems. This heating process also converts the glutamates and L-glutamic acid into free form D-glutamic acid .... which is basically MSG. There is much more to it than my one sentence on the subject so Do some research on how excessive MSG effects the body and you will want to avoid these lower quality proteins at all costs. We all need to remember that the supplement companies are selling products any way they can .... its up to us as the consumer to be knowledgeable enough to navigate the sea of supps and find the ones that are producing the higher quality, healthier supplements. Don't listen to me .... do your own research as I have and form your own opinion .... its your body.Agree wholeheartedly with TKC432! There are several supplement companies that use natural sweeteners. Ace K and sucralose messes with my GI tract. One company I can recommend is Get Diesel for releasing DIESELADE BCAA.
There are tons of research on artificial sweeteners affecting iodine levels and gut flora.
One could argue that the FDA may not always always have our best interest in mind.Artificial sweeteners IMO and based on research shown by the FDA as well the amount of support needed to be used in anything coming into contact with humans or other animals shows it to be perfectly safe used as it is. It is not as if these are not studied they have to be approved to even be utilized.
Supplements them selves are far more of an unknown than any artificial sweetener or artificial dye used in any food
...diabetes?Lol, I don't know how people don't. I drink 1.5 gallons of the crystal light, plus a couple cups of coffee, plus a monster drink, plus pre workouts, amino IV, etc. I'm easily over 2 gals/day and I wake up at night thirsty. Sure, I piss a lot too....
Yessir, that's not uncommon. I add apple cider vinegar to my flavoured/sweetened prewo & amino shakes to assist with gut biota.Agree wholeheartedly with TKC432! There are several supplement companies that use natural sweeteners. Ace K and sucralose messes with my GI tract. One company I can recommend is Get Diesel for releasing DIESELADE BCAA.
There are tons of research on artificial sweeteners affecting iodine levels and gut flora.
And the FDA approved Aspartame all those years ago. That worked out well, just ask the people that (verifiably) died from overconsumption...oh wait.Nope
Artificial sweeteners IMO and based on research shown by the FDA as well the amount of support needed to be used in anything coming into contact with humans or other animals shows it to be perfectly safe used as it is. It is not as if these are not studied they have to be approved to even be utilized.
Supplements them selves are far more of an unknown than any artificial sweetener or artificial dye used in any food
Haha, yeah, I really don't think it is diabetes...I don't have any signs of blood sugar issues. It could be possible as I've lost over 100 pounds...but I've just always been a big drinker and a big eater. If I push my intake to 3 or 3.5 gals/day I start having to force myself to drink and will be going to the bathroom constantly ...2-2.5 seems to be my sweet spot, which is just more than most people are used to....diabetes?
Yessir, that's not uncommon. I add apple cider vinegar to my flavoured/sweetened prewo & amino shakes to assist with gut biota.
And the FDA approved Aspartame all those years ago. That worked out well, just ask the people that (verifiably) died from overconsumption...oh wait.
And before that remember the video footage of whole neighbourhoods getting dusted with DDT. Mmmm, birth defects.
Glyphosate is being banned across Europe due to it being a known carcinogenic & endocrine disruptor, but is currently still in use here in Australia & in the US, despite mounting scientific & public pressure. FDA approved.
Healthy scepticism is vital, if we don't question the decision makers and ask what their motives are, if independent research is not conducted & the findings openly released, well...then we get what we deserve. Just sayin'.
Cyanide is as natural as anything. That is ONE ingredient that will change your life!A Poison Ivy salad would be 'Natural' - anyone want to eat it?
I've used unflavored hydrolyzed 520 dalton whey protein, and unflavored pepto pro.Anyone here do this and if so do you believe sucralose is bad for gainz?
Aspartame, during the breakdown, converts to Aspartic Acid, Phenylalanine & Methanol. All are toxic in given quantities, but i'll focus on the Methanol component here and it's conversion to Formaldehyde (and subsequently Formic Acid).Who verifiably died from Aspartame? Last I knew it was three amino acids bound together...the chemistry isn't all that scary.
I agree that the FDA shouldn't be the one we look to for health advice...we should be free thinkers and make our own decisions and let others make theirs as long as those decisions don't effect others.
The limit isn't that it is man made. The limit is that our knowledge is growing and we will get better. But that doesn't mean everything mam made is bad.
The question was asked as to deaths via Aspartame, I gave a response including brief product history. Call that factual information conspiracy theory if you so choose to.Companies regularly hire from federal agencies, it's not weird at all. The employees know the ins-and-outs and they're very useful for that special insight in the private sector. And if someone gets in they typically bring their feiends or co-workers because the employwr trusts the source. This happens in the legal field all the time. The amount of conspiracy theories on this forum are crazy.
The line I wrote about about docs etc getting a tap on the shoulder...well, i'll give you that. I will say that everything is a conspiracy theory until the truth is brought to light. Current case in point Gardasil. God help anyone who's been exposed to that toxic, disease causing rot, makes me ashamed to be Australian.Companies regularly hire from federal agencies, it's not weird at all. The employees know the ins-and-outs and they're very useful for that special insight in the private sector. And if someone gets in they typically bring their feiends or co-workers because the employwr trusts the source. This happens in the legal field all the time. The amount of conspiracy theories on this forum are crazy.
LMAO- pick your poison here. If the sweetener will kill you, it won't kill you as fast as something that tastes that bad!I've used unflavored hydrolyzed 520 dalton whey protein, and unflavored pepto pro.
I'll take the flavored stuff.
Cheeky - Thanks for taking the time to actually respond with a thought out response and for adding to an actual discussion of this rather than just having another thread where everyone has to agree.Aspartame, during the breakdown, converts to Aspartic Acid, Phenylalanine & Methanol. All are toxic in given quantities, but i'll focus on the Methanol component here and it's conversion to Formaldehyde (and subsequently Formic Acid).
Formaldehyde is generally able to be metabolized by the body & eliminated via natural body processes. It can be found in trace amounts in certain foods, apples notably.
The issue with excessive Formaldehyde consumption being that when the body is unable to keep up with the detoxification required to clear it and accumulation occurs. Formaldehyde is hepatotoxic and literally kills cells. The case that immediately comes to mind was of a woman charged with the murder of her husband - by poisoning him with Methanol/Formaldehyde. Long story short the coroner found evidence suggesting he'd been poisoned & the police pressed for murder. Upon investigation it was found that the deceased had a predilection for consuming large amounts of diet soda on a daily basis, so much so that even when performing his regular running routine on his treadmill he would keep a large bottle at hand, rather than water. Essentially, he replaced lost fluids with Methanol that his body simply couldn't expel - and he pickled himself to death. The accused was released.
There's actually quite a few cases to be found online, of deaths & serious illness. I personally know of one woman, a former workmate, who suffered severe migraines & eyesight failure while drinking diet soda. Her doctor was at a loss & when she suggested the soda as a contributing factor, timeframe apparent, he laughed it off. She stopped drinking it & said issues were relieved in short time.
Up until a few years ago it was extremely difficult for death to be attributed to Aspartame ingestion, but such has been the weight of evidence that doctors, coroners & police previously pressured into finding other/unrelated/natural causes are now able to ascertain the true causal factor without fear of a tap on the shoulder. This is a multi-BILLION dollar industry & those that run it want it to remain that way.
GD Searle tried for years to get Aspartame listed with the FDA as a food additive, repeatedly blocked as it was a pharmaceutical anti-ulcer drug. In 1986 (if memory serves me correct) this was granted, after a hefty approval fee was paid. Subsequently, all FDA panel members on the case found employment with Searle & co over a period of about 4 - 5 years. Every single person, one by one. Call me sceptical, but I took any artificial food additive/drug approval with a big grain of salt after learning that.
Thank you & yes, I'm all for interesting & debateable discussion.Cheeky - Thanks for taking the time to actually respond with a thought out response and for adding to an actual discussion of this rather than just having another thread where everyone has to agree.
Your points are interesting, and they warrant my researching more when I have time. I do see potential errors in your reasoning though.
1. Just because a case was thrown out doesn't mean it was proven that artificial played a role in the death of the woman's husband. All it means is that it was determined that an abnormally large consumption may have thrown the results of the autopsy enough to indicate poisoning when it was not the case - and thus there may have been reasonable doubt that the wife did not poison him. This is far from causative and not exactly scientific fact. This is from an internet story, which I assume is true because I trust YOU and your research.
2. Just because Aspartame breaks down into something that CAN be converted into something else, that may be dangerous, doesn't mean much. This could be said about a number of things we ingest. As far as formaldehyde, the LD50 is 100mg/kg - or 6.8 grams for a 68KG person. Obviously you are right, this may be much more than is necessary to produce symptoms of sickness. But still, if you had even 50 grams of aspartame in a day, how much of that realistically will become methanol (if any), and how much of that methanol (if any) would ACTUALLY be converted to formaldehyde? As you said, our body is designed and capable of handling SOME fomaldehyde. Even at a very large dose of aspartame, it seems like a large jump to assume there would be much of any effect from its breakdown in our system. Further, I'm not sure it really breaks down in our system all that much.
Having said that, and going back to my previous response - I think this stuff is over-thought and people need a "bad guy" that if they just avoid this one thing, their life will be so much different and better - I've always felt that aspartame is probably one of the worst offenders amongst the artificial sweeteners used today, and the most likely to have negative outcomes. Even still - the evidence from what I've seen in actual scientific research, has been limited. That doesn't mean it can't be bad for you, just that there is no evidence that it is bad for you. We may just not have done the right research yet, but we have to look at the evidence and make decisions.
On the other hand, here is some info on the FDA's site itself that has someone sharing your thoughts:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/DOCKETS/dailys/03/Jan03/012203/02P-0317_emc-000196.txt
Finally, an interesting article on Stevia is on the front page of AM today - it is from Suppversity and points out that Stevia is more highly processed than aspartame, yet there is evidence that it is anti-microbial, has gut flora benefits and may cause weight loss. Just makes the man-made vs. natural angle more complex.
I wish BPI would follow suit with Blox - that stuff is so full of dye & flavouring it's ridiculous. No wonder it's on sale everywhere atm.Interesting that I just read that General Mills is removing artificial colors and flavors from their cereals. Maybe a movement is starting? Off topic but interesting.
yea, it ttok a while to finish those lolLMAO- pick your poison here. If the sweetener will kill you, it won't kill you as fast as something that tastes that bad!
Where do you get your cold-processed whey conc? Just curious.I may get flamed for this one but ..... I prefer whey concentrate over isolate or the other more processed whey proteins out there. Remember, the most minimally processed a food is, generally the healthier it is. Whey concentrate is the first step in the processing of whey powder .... isolate and hydrolosate are further down the processing line. Whey concentrate retains more of the natural and healthy benefits of the protein and if its cold processed, acid free processed it is as non-denatured as possible thus retaining a protein that the body recognizes as food and is more easily digested. No more gut issues.
TN's WPC is Cold Filtered. It looks like RD's is as well.Where do you get your cold-processed whey conc? Just curious.
I've only ever heard of TN but I'm liking what I'm seeing. Cool flavor options. Solid price and ratios, too. Gonna have to try them out!TN's WPC is Cold Filtered. It looks like RD's is as well.
Would never trust that guy. Straight up creepy and shady. I remember Mike from scivation had a bad experience with him. No thanks.I've only ever heard of TN but I'm liking what I'm seeing. Cool flavor options. Solid price and ratios, too. Gonna have to try them out!
Dante?Would never trust that guy. Straight up creepy and shady. I remember Mike from scivation had a bad experience with him. No thanks.
Ahh gotcha. That's reassuring. I was worried about the immediate conflicting views lolWell I ****ed up. I was thinking Trutein, not True Nutrition. Sorry for the confusion.
Having purchased and used both of their products either is a solid choice. Muscle Feast typically has some pretty good sales on their proteins. Their 100% whey, which is roughly 50%WPI/50%WPC, was recently on sale for $35 for 5lbs. There WPI is on sale often for $53 for 5 pounds.True nutrition and Muscle Feast have been the 2 I have found to best fit the profile of what I'm looking for in a high quality protein. TN being on the top of my list....a little more expensive and higher shipping cost but a great high quality product.
There is more methanol in one apple than in a can of diet soda.Aspartame, during the breakdown, converts to Aspartic Acid, Phenylalanine & Methanol. All are toxic in given quantities, but i'll focus on the Methanol component here and it's conversion to Formaldehyde (and subsequently Formic Acid).
Formaldehyde is generally able to be metabolized by the body & eliminated via natural body processes. It can be found in trace amounts in certain foods, apples notably.
The issue with excessive Formaldehyde consumption being that when the body is unable to keep up with the detoxification required to clear it and accumulation occurs. Formaldehyde is hepatotoxic and literally kills cells. The case that immediately comes to mind was of a woman charged with the murder of her husband - by poisoning him with Methanol/Formaldehyde. Long story short the coroner found evidence suggesting he'd been poisoned & the police pressed for murder. Upon investigation it was found that the deceased had a predilection for consuming large amounts of diet soda on a daily basis, so much so that even when performing his regular running routine on his treadmill he would keep a large bottle at hand, rather than water. Essentially, he replaced lost fluids with Methanol that his body simply couldn't expel - and he pickled himself to death. The accused was released.
There's actually quite a few cases to be found online, of deaths & serious illness. I personally know of one woman, a former workmate, who suffered severe migraines & eyesight failure while drinking diet soda. Her doctor was at a loss & when she suggested the soda as a contributing factor, timeframe apparent, he laughed it off. She stopped drinking it & said issues were relieved in short time.
Up until a few years ago it was extremely difficult for death to be attributed to Aspartame ingestion, but such has been the weight of evidence that doctors, coroners & police previously pressured into finding other/unrelated/natural causes are now able to ascertain the true causal factor without fear of a tap on the shoulder. This is a multi-BILLION dollar industry & those that run it want it to remain that way.
GD Searle tried for years to get Aspartame listed with the FDA as a food additive, repeatedly blocked as it was a pharmaceutical anti-ulcer drug. In 1986 (if memory serves me correct) this was granted, after a hefty approval fee was paid. Subsequently, all FDA panel members on the case found employment with Searle & co over a period of about 4 - 5 years. Every single person, one by one. Call me sceptical, but I took any artificial food additive/drug approval with a big grain of salt after learning that.
True - but one doesn't eat 6+ apples at a time, several times a day. As I said, cumulative toxicity. Not a huge cause for concern if common sense is applied.There is more methanol in one apple than in a can of diet soda.
In fact it would take ALOT of aspartame to induce problems relating to Formaldehyde.
Granted, the way the aminos are bonded is also important, but based on what aspartame is made up of, its not a huge cause for concern
I prefer whey concentrate for the simple fact that it is less processed .... so I have tried their Natures Whey. Unflavored is the only choice with that route however .... and considering concentrate maintains the milk fat I also opt for grass fed in order to take advantage of the better fat profile ... CLA rather than the more unhealthy fats that are typical of grain and commercial 'garbage fed' cows .... Truenutrition offers more variety with regard to whey concentrate .... either their New Zealand grass fed or their USA sourced grass fed .... and they have flavor options that are not based on sucralose or other crap. TN is my top choice for these reasons but lately money has been tight around our place so I have been using MuscleFeast. Unflavored is fine ... and when I have the cash I will treat myself to TN again.Having purchased and used both of their products either is a solid choice. Muscle Feast typically has some pretty good sales on their proteins. Their 100% whey, which is roughly 50%WPI/50%WPC, was recently on sale for $35 for 5lbs. There WPI is on sale often for $53 for 5 pounds.