Tongkat Ali LJ100

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I promised to Write about LJ100 and here is some information that is useful to know.

For those who dont know what LJ100 is, it is actually patent pended Tongkat Ali extract standardized to 40% Glyco Saponins, 28% Eurypeptides, 30% Polysacharides, and 0.8% Eurycomanone.
So, What makes LJ100 so special? It is Eurypeptides (a 30-39 long amino acid chain, 4300 dalton molecular weight).
According to HP Ingredients (Pantet /LJ100 owner), Eurypeptides is responsible for almost all positive benefits TA is providing.
This is very interesting because some of scientists who have studied Tongkat Ali say Eurypeptides is all smoke and Mirrors and it is just overhyped stuff.
Some of the TA scientists said this:
" Eurycomanone is the only scientifically recognised compound in TA and is one the supplement industry is attempting to evaluate to a point where it will used as a more accurate strength measure of TA rather than the current ratio system."
Those who dont know what Eurycomanone is, it is actually the main Quassinoid (a main active compound found in TA).

I have been talking to Dr.Ismail Tambi, the one who has been involved in several studies done on TA and one who really know much about TA and its function.
He confirmed the importance of Eurycomanone and he could not prove that Eurypeptides exist but in all his studies, they used patent pended TA extract (LJ100).
Since he used LJ100 , I wanted to know the doses, duration, sides and the possibly effect of TA LJ100.

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It is some questions I really would like to ask you because there are some false claiming/rumors.
Is it really nessesary to cycle the Tongkat ali? Many People are saying it Works best if taking 5 days on and 2 days off. It not, then the effect will "decrease". Did patients in Your study cycle Tongkat ali?

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In all my studies and others as well, the supplements were given continuously.What you hear about cycling tongkat ali is just 'hearsay'.


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How long do you think I can run Tongkat before taking a break?
Answer:
No need for break at all. We have data supporting it.


Question:
Which dose do you recommend?(Lets say I have hypogonadism, or just want to boost my T Levels.)

Answer:
I would recommend 3-8 capsules of 100mg daily but if you do sports, over 40 or want to maximize Your T Levels,, You will enhance your testosterone if you take 2 capsules of 200mg TA twice a day. (800mg).
You need to increase the dose gradually.Start with one capsule twice daily, then increase it to 2 in the morning and one after dinner and later at 3-4 days interval, take two morning and two after dinner and then add two more after lunch and so on..


Question:
Should I take it on empty stomach or with food?

Answer:
You can take along with food or after food.


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Are there any sides I should be concerned of?

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You might feel heaty, dry mouth,and rarely mild rash(maybe cause by feeling heaty)


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Any other positive effects I should know about?

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Tongkat ali aslo has been found to engahnce IGF-1 from the liver.This has been confirmed by an older study


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Did some of the patients had increase in SHBG while running TA concinuously ?

Answer:
Not at all. They decreased SHBG


As many People know, Olympus labs is selling the patent pended TA extract (LJ100) and alvin1 mentioned Universal N-1T which also contain LJ100.
The first thing I noticed on N-1T label is :
"LJ-100™ Is A Trademark Of Herbal Powers And Is Protected Under Its Patents".
I contacted contacted HP ingredients and asked them about Herbal Powers/HP lifescience since I know LJ100 is owned by HP ingredients.
The answer from HP ingredients:
"HP Lifescience is not the same company as HP Ingredients, but they do purchase the LJ100 Extract from us and yes, it is the same extract."

We dont know for sure how much LJ100 is in each N-1T pill but we know for sure there is 100mg of LJ100 in each Olympus Labs LJ100 pill.

My recommendation is to stay away from TA Products which are not standarized to any actives.
Since I am huge fan of Eurycomanone , I do recommend Lj100 because it does contain 0,8 % of it. I know a Product containing 1,6-2.2% Eurycomanone but the price is high.

I do recommend Olympus Labs LJ100.
LJ100 IS working and there are studies proving it.

Some of the human studies done on water soluble TA extract (LJ100):

Andrologia. 2012 May;44 Suppl 1:226-30. doi: 10.1111/j.1439-0272.2011.01168.x. Epub 2011 Jun 15.

Standardised water-soluble extract of Eurycoma longifolia, Tongkat ali, as testosterone booster for managing men with late-onset hypogonadism?

Tambi MI1, Imran MK, Henkel RR.



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In most countries, millions of people are relying on herbal medicines as remedy for numerous ailments. In South-East Asia, Eurycoma longifolia Jack, also known as 'Malaysian ginseng' or Tongkat ali, is used to combat stress and disease and to improve physical strength. Moreover, the compounds of the roots of this plant are reported to have aphrodisiac and testosterone enhancing effects in the rat. Considering that human studies are not available, 76 of 320 patients suffering from late-onset hypogonadism (LOH) were given 200 mg of a standardised water-soluble extract of Tongkat ali for 1 month. The Ageing Males' Symptoms (AMS) according to the standardised rating scale and the serum testosterone concentration were taken. Results show that treatment of LOH patients with this Tongkat ali extract significantly (P < 0.0001) improved the AMS score as well as the serum testosterone concentration. While before treatment only 10.5% of the patients did not show any complaint according to the AMS scale and 35.5% had normal testosterone levels, after the completed treatment 71.7% and 90.8% of the patients showed normal values, respectively. Thus, Tongkat ali extract appears to be useful as a supplement in overcoming the symptoms of LOH and for the management of hypogonadism.


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Asian J Androl. 2010 May;12(3):376-80. doi: 10.1038/aja.2010.7. Epub 2010 Mar 29.

Eurycoma longifolia Jack in managing idiopathic male infertility.

Tambi MI1, Imran MK.



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This study investigated the effect of treatment with the proprietary standardized, water-soluble extract of the root of the Malaysian plant, Eurycoma longifolia Jack, which is thought to enhance male fertility with regard to higher semen volumes, sperm concentrations, the percentage of normal sperm morphology and sperm motility in male partners of sub-fertile couples with idiopathic infertility. A total of 350 patients were given 200 mg of the extract daily and follow-up semen analyses were performed every 3 months for 9 months. Of these 350 patients, 75 patients completed one full cycle of 3 months. Follow-up semen analyses in these patients showed significant improvement in all semen parameters. The proprietary extract of Eurycoma longifolia Jack significantly improved the sperm quality in these patients, allowing for 11 (14.7%) spontaneous pregnancies

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S. Hamzah, A. Yusof.

Department of Exercise Physiology, Sports Centre, University of Malaya, 50603 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Eurycoma longifolia Jack (ELJ), which contains quassinoids such as eurycomalacton, eurycomanon, and eurycomanol, has been reported to have aphrodisiac properties and to increase testosterone levels in men.1 Previous studies have established that the testosterone supplementation increases fat free mass, muscle strength, and muscle mass, which are important for physical function and athletic performance.2,3 Thus, the objective of this study was to investigate the effect of the increase in testosterone levels, obtained by administration of ELJ, on body composition and muscle strength and size in man. Fourteen healthy men performed an intense strength training programme with initial load of 60% RM (2 sets of 10 repetitions with 1 minute rest between, for 10 stations) on alternate days for five weeks. Simultaneously, seven men were randomly selected to consume 100 mg/day ELJ water soluble extract, and seven men received placebo. The intensity of the exercise was increased by 10% RM/week. Body composition, arm circumference, one repetition maximum (1 RM), and surface electromyography (sEMG) activity were measured and recorded one day before and after the five weeks of supplementation and intervention. The lean body mass of the treatment group showed a significant increment, from 52.26 (7.18) kg to 54.39 (7.43) kg (p = 0.012), but no significant changes in fat free mass were observed in the placebo group. Percentage body fat was significantly decreased in the treatment and placebo group, from 31.30 (5.48)% to 28.44 (6.43)% (p = 0.01) and from 22.83 (2.43)% to 21.33 (2.35)% (p = 0.001) respectively. The 1RM test showed a significant increase from 73.71 (16.63) to 78.71 (17.0) kg (p = 0.006) in the treatment group and from 77.29 (8.9) to 79.43 (8.8) kg (p = 0.011) in the placebo group. The increase in strength in the treatment group was larger than in the placebo group (6.78% and 2.77% respectively). The mean frequency of sEMG on the biceps in the treatment and placebo groups decreased significantly, from 121.77 (40.0) to 90.47 (64.6) μV (p = 0.012) and from 127.95 (30.9) to 98.8 (50.1) μV (p = 0.036) respectively. The treatment produced 2.92% greater reduction in electrical activity of the muscle measured at the end of the experiment compared with placebo. The mean arm circumference of the treatment group increased significantly by 1.8 cm after the supplementation, from 30.87 (1.88) to 32.67 (1.96) cm (p = 0.011), but there was no significant increase in the placebo group. The results suggest that water soluble extract ofEurycoma longifolia Jack increased fat free mass, reduced body fat, and increased muscle strength and size, and thus may have an ergogenic effect. Further investigations are warranted.
 
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Thats really well done broski! highfive my Northern Bro!
 
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Great post Danes!

I may have an idea where the cycling comes from. I could feel the very first dose working and the effects last for a week and then nothing. It could have been a matter of dosage rather that one of continuous dosing. In other words, large doses with no cycling would have worked consistently through the run not just at the very beginning.
 
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Danes for the win!
 

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FYI - Swanson sells an LJ100 product as well. If you catch it when Swanson has a sale on their brand it can be quite affordable otherwise it is the same price as OL.
 
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Danes, how do you know there is 200mg lj100 in that product, its prop blend.
 
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FYI - Swanson sells an LJ100 product as well. If you catch it when Swanson has a sale on their brand it can be quite affordable otherwise it is the same price as OL.
But less in the caps.. So not as good as other brands.
 
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http://www.universalnutrition.com/store/images/packaging/274.jpg

It's saying 2 caps of N1-T has 400mg of LJ100 if I'm interpreting this correctly.
The way the label reads is that LJ100 is part of the long jack complex.

Notice the 400mg is listed as the total long jack content, NOT next to the LJ100.

How much of that complex is actually LJ100 is unknown.

I'll reach out and ask, but with a prop blend they could just say anything (true or untrue).

OL 3rd party verifies all our ingredients.
 
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Great post Danes!

I may have an idea where the cycling comes from. I could feel the very first dose working and the effects last for a week and then nothing. It could have been a matter of dosage rather that one of continuous dosing. In other words, large doses with no cycling would have worked consistently through the run not just at the very beginning.
Believe me, what you feel and what is lab results showing is 2 different things. Even with viagra, sometimes it hit you hard, sometimes you dont feel even 50% of it you used to feel. :)
 
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The way the label reads is that LJ100 is part of the long jack complex.

Notice the 400mg is listed as the total long jack content, NOT next to the LJ100.

How much of that complex is actually LJ100 is unknown.

I'll reach out and ask, but with a prop blend they could just say anything (true or untrue).

OL 3rd party verifies all our ingredients.
I do apologize.
You and NoAddedHmones could be right but I really see no point mixing TA with TA extract such as LJ100. It could be a phatetic way to hide low dose of LJ100 in each capsule!
I am waiting to get an answer from Universal about this. Or if any Universal reps could explain this ?

I have edited the post until I know for sure how much LJ100 is in each N-1T capsule :)
 

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The way the label reads is that LJ100 is part of the long jack complex.

Notice the 400mg is listed as the total long jack content, NOT next to the LJ100.

How much of that complex is actually LJ100 is unknown.

I'll reach out and ask, but with a prop blend they could just say anything (true or untrue).

OL 3rd party verifies all our ingredients.
This is the way I am interpreting it. EL root and LJ100 in a 400mg complex with EL root being listed first.
 

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So lj100 boost test by lowering shbg? What's its effects on estrogen if any?
 
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Didn't realize it lowered estrogen...
I will be running 800mg OL LJ100. Began 2 days ago at 200mg. Will increase 100mg each 4th day until I reach 800mg
 
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Sounds good! Running it solo?
No solo. But will actually run bloodwork after the LJ100 run. I know my test results befoe run. Other supps I am using will not increase T
 
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No solo. But will actually run bloodwork after the LJ100 run. I know my test results befoe run. Other supps I am using will not increase T
Let the fire hose jizzing begin.
 
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Thanks for the post Danes, great info!
Will be very interested to see your results. Lots of quality research on this supp to prove its benefits so far.
Price to performance might be a problem (at 800mg/day) but thanks for guinea pigging!

^approx $140.00US per month to run at 800mg/day at the current price of LJ100 on nutriverse
 
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Thanks for the post Danes, great info!
Will be very interested to see your results. Lots of quality research on this supp to prove its benefits so far.
Price to performance might be a problem (at 800mg/day) but thanks for guinea pigging!
The price is not so bad if you think how much money people are throwing on crap products :)
 
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I will be running 800mg OL LJ100. Began 2 days ago at 200mg. Will increase 100mg each 4th day until I reach 800mg
if you continue to run 8 caps a day a bottle will last less than 8 days!!!!
 
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if you continue to run 8 caps a day a bottle will last less than 8 days!!!!
It is worth trying the Dr Tambi recommendation my friend!
Remember, 9-hydroxycanthin-6-one can delay in ejaculation and it has pro-erectile properties ;) Uncle Danes like that!
 
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raekwonse . I personaly dont trust powdercity.
 
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After LJ100 run, the next one will be TAF 273 ( concentrated TA extract).
TAF 273 is an extract enriched for quassinoids:
23.6% eurycomanone.
6.4% 13α(21)-epoxyeurycomanone
0.8% 13α,21-dihydroeurycomanone
4.8% eurycomanol
 
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Is there a reason? I order a lot from them and maybe I shouldn't? It the price to ingredient ratio just too good?
Correct!
But dont trust 100% on my statement about powdercity. Maybe they are legit and provide 100% quality stuff.
 
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It is worth trying the Dr Tambi recommendation my friend!
Remember, 9-hydroxycanthin-6-one can delay in ejaculation and it has pro-erectile properties ;) Uncle Danes like that!
if 800mg is required then LJ is very underdosed and overpriced, imo.
 
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if 800mg is required then LJ is very underdosed and overpriced, imo.
800mg is absolutely way overkill. Danes enjoys supernova dosing things (and i respect that) but for the general everyday joe it is far more than necessary according to all studies undertaken.
 
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800mg is absolutely way overkill. Danes enjoys supernova dosing things (and i respect that) but for the general everyday joe it is far more than necessary according to all studies undertaken.
not all studies.... look at the one Danes posted
 
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800mg is absolutely way overkill. Danes enjoys supernova dosing things (and i respect that) but for the general everyday joe it is far more than necessary according to all studies undertaken.
Haha :) no buddy, not overkill at all. Remember, 800mg is not just made up by Dr Ismail . It is a dose tested in athletes and patients like he mentioned. So, since my T levels are low due to many years with sleep apnea, 800mg would work better than lets say 100-200mg.
The 100-200mg is the common dose and its a dose which definitely works. (Studies are proving).No doubt about that..but it does not mean its enough :)
 
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Haha :) no buddy, not overkill at all. Remember, 800mg is not just made up by Dr Ismail . It is a dose tested in athletes and patients like he mentioned. So, since my T levels are low due to many years with sleep apnea, 800mg would work better than lets say 100-200mg.
The 200mg is the common dose and its a dose which definitely works. No doubt about that..but it does not mean its enough :)
I had a look through the studies posted, where in the OP is the 800mg study?
 
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if 800mg is required then LJ is very underdosed and overpriced, imo.
According HP Ingredients, LJ100 is focused on Eurypeptides. So that is why doses are lower than lets say a 2% eurycomanone TA extract :)
I have never tried LJ100 at 800mg doses and it will definitely be fun to compare LJ100 with a 2% Eurycomanone extract.
Spoke to my Doc yesterday and we will run bloodwork late in February. Then I will run 2 months with other TA extract (200:1)
 
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Haha :) no buddy, not overkill at all. Remember, 800mg is not just made up by Dr Ismail . It is a dose tested in athletes and patients like he mentioned. So, since my T levels are low due to many years with sleep apnea, 800mg would work better than lets say 100-200mg.
The 200mg is the common dose and its a dose which definitely works. No doubt about that..but it does not mean its enough :)
$138 a month is a considerable amount to pay for a single ingredient product, imo.
 
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$138 a month is a considerable amount to pay for a single ingredient product, imo.
Yeah, but it works at 200mg just fine. Not only do the majority of studies use 200mg (give or take), we have seen bloodwork from forum members demonstrate increases in test (one even dosed lower than 200mg iirc).
 
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$138 a month is a considerable amount to pay for a single ingredient product, imo.
There are numerous human clinical studies on 100mg, 200mg, and 300mg showing very promising results.
 
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$138 a month is a considerable amount to pay for a single ingredient product, imo.
I totaly understand you and I do agree but it would be enough with 200mg for almost all people. 800mg is more "hardcore" and not nessecary :) but 800mg is not overkill at all.
 
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According HP Ingredients, LJ100 is focused on Eurypeptides. So that is why doses are lower than lets say a 2% eurycomanone TA extract :)
I have never tried LJ100 at 800mg doses and it will definitely be fun to compare LJ100 with a 2% Eurycomanone extract.
Spoke to my Doc yesterday and we will run bloodwork late in February. Then I will run 2 months with other TA extract (200:1)
I have used the 200:1 TA and gone as high as 4 caps=800mg....I am interested in how LJ100 COMPARES!!!
 

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