If you could build your perfect pre-wo...what would you take?

[VaughnTrue]

sky is the limit...name it.

stims, non-stim, creatine, non-creatine...sane doses, insane doses...up to you.

 

[BeardedBreast]

Conquer3r Unleashed

 

[BeardedBreast]

Just playing. FedEx just dropped off my bottles. Tomorrow I kill it

 

[The Yolkster]

Amp citrate, beta alanine, citrulline, agmatine, caffeine, and a hint of tren

 

[muscleupcrohn]

sky is the limit...name it.

stims, non-stim, creatine, non-creatine...sane doses, insane doses...up to you.

Assuming price is not a factor, since a completely comprehensive and all-encompassing pre-workout would be ludicrously expensive:

-6g Citrulline malate (2:1)
-1g Agmatine
-2g Taurine
-2g ALCAR
-250mg CDP-Choline
-150mg Rhodiola (3% salidrosides)
-750mg Phosphatidic Acid (PA)
-600-750mg Phosphatidylserine (PS)
-400mg Peak ATP
-30mg Ferulic Acid
-100mcg Huperzine-A
-200mg (−)-Epicatechin (+absorption enhancers)
-2.4g Piracetam
-1g Pomegranate Extract (50% polyphenols)
-1.5g HICA

If I want stims with it:
-250mg caffeine
-200mg theanine
-50mg DMAA

 

[cubsfan815]

In b4 cocain

 

[datsthat]

TNE onder:

 

[VaughnTrue]

whats up with everyone choosing cit malate over pure citrulline? I don' t get it.

 

[kisaj]

Increased absorption from the malate?

 

[storm 011]

Non-stim

 

[VaughnTrue]

Increased absorption from the malate?

how does malic acid increase the absorption of citrulline? (srs...never heard of this before)

 

[kisaj]

I really don't know as I haven't looked into it, but it is common belief. Personally, I use either and haven't noticed a difference.I pulled this regarding additional benefit:

Taking citrulline in the form of citrulline malate also provides the additional benefit of malate, which is involved in the Krebs cycle to generate energy aerobically in the form of ATP (adenosine triphosphate). ATP is the energy currency of every cell. In muscle cell it is used to fuel muscle contraction, such as during exercise. Research in exercising humans shows that citrulline malate significantly improves the amount of ATP that the muscles are able to regenerate and enhances the rate that phosphocreatine (PCr) is regenerated. One study reported that subjects consuming 6 grams of citrulline malate for 15 days experienced an increase in ATP production during exercise by 35% and a 20% increase in phosphocreatine recovery after exercise. Phosphocreatine is what creatine is converted into inside the muscle cells through the addition of a high-energy phosphate group. Creatine donates this phosphate group during intense exercise, such as weight lifting, to produce ATP quickly to power muscle contractions that are required to lift the weight. This means that supplementing with citrulline malate can increase endurance to allow you to go longer, but also allow you to recover faster between sets, helping you to complete more reps per set later in your workouts.

 

[VaughnTrue]

I love malic acid, which is why it's included in its pure form in max out, but i don't think it enhances citrulline at all. I'd much prefer to have creatine be my ATP enhancer, and get more citrulline which is what's causing the additional pump + endurance by a long shot

 

[tyga tyga]

1g PA
3g TMG
5g MCC
200mg Amento
3g COP
6g CM
2g HICA

Mix with focus xt if you want stim

 

[Young Gotti]

I really think max out is what I'd look for in a preworkout....hydration, energy, pumps, endurance...maybe throw in hica or something but no major changes are needed

 

[Volvo140G]

keeep it easy... agmatine, citruline, TMG, BA. add stim/nootropics as necessary. shameless plug - SNS has closeout pricing on Picamilon at Nutriverse - grab some before it goes the way of old yeller!

 

[MidwestBeast]

whats up with everyone choosing cit malate over pure citrulline? I don' t get it.

I know for one it helps with flavoring. Not that L-Citrulline is bad, but when I add some cit mal to a product, it usually adds a nice tartness to it that generally improves the overall flavor.

 

[Hockeyaus33]

Whatever was in OG DS Craze

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I love malic acid, which is why it's included in its pure form in max out, but i don't think it enhances citrulline at all. I'd much prefer to have creatine be my ATP enhancer, and get more citrulline which is what's causing the additional pump + endurance by a long shot

If price isn't an issue, why not both? I'd rather have 4g l-citrulline than 4g cit malate 2:1, but I'd rather have 6g cit malate than 4g l-cit, although I don't really notice a difference, aside from flavor, between equal doses of l-cit from the the two, but perhaps that is partially because I take other ingredients with it, and the size of the effect is just too small to notice in the scheme of things.

 

[johnnyp]

200mg Phenylpiracetam
10-20g Peptopro
2-3g Betaine
200mg Caffeine
3g Citrulline
1g Astragalus

It's actually what I used today and it was darn good.

 

[alvin1]

Conquer3r Unleashed

Exactly!

 

[Alex281]

1G Agmatine
4G L-Citruline
2G Glycerol
3G C-O-P
250mg Caffeine
100 mg N,α-diethyl-phenylethylamine

 

[Matthew1237]

Craze V1, Trest (100mg), Trenevar (120mg), Caffeine 200mg, 16mg ephedrine. 60 servings.

 

[Audioph1x]

Keep it old school. 300mg caffeine, 5g creatine, 3g beta alanine and...10mg d-amphetamine maybe? Haha

Or 120mg Trenavar and some methamphetamine. Not srs

 

[tyga tyga]

Craze V1, Trest (100mg), Trenevar (120mg), Caffeine 200mg, 16mg ephedrine. 60 servings.

Sounds like BP issues

 

[Matthew1237]

Sounds like BP issues

You're right - better add in some Hawthorn Berry...

 

[ForceOfNature]

Amp citrate
Caffeine anhydrous
Di caffeine malate
PEA
Hordenine
Rhodia rosea
Dendrobium
N acetyl L tyrosine
Agmatine sulfate
L Citrulline
HICA
Alpha gpc
Huperzine A
Noopet
Beta alanine
Betaine anhydrous
Velvet bean extract
N methyl tyramine
Bioperine
Higenamine
ALCAR

 

[BCseacow83]

2g ARA
2.5 TMG
150 caffeine anhydrous
150 caffeine malate
50mg DMAA
100 Theanine
250 CDP choline
20 Noopept
30mg MENT
20 M1A
3g Maeng Da Kratom
1.5g PA

 

[Matthew1237]

2g ARA
2.5 TMG
150 caffeine anhydrous
150 caffeine malate
50mg DMAA
100 Theanine
250 CDP choline
20 Noopept
30mg MENT
20 M1A
3g Maeng Da Kratom
1.5g PA

You forgot Tren and (-)epi

 

[BCseacow83]

No I did not. I need to have something to switch to when my "tolerance" builds and the gains stop lol.

 

[Matthew1237]

No I did not. I need to have something to switch to when my "tolerance" builds and the gains stop lol.

Lol! True dat

 

[BamBam0319]

I would take mesomorph.

 

[Matthew1237]

I think I would mix Conquer Unleashed with ergonine. On the DayLee