I am interested on feedback on Sunflower derived PA since I have an intolerance to soy.
Thanks.
I'm actually going to test this out.
15g 2 hours before workout and 15 right after. Sometimes I take more, for example weekends when I am not at work. Your plan sounds good. Keep us posted.
No...
Why would you just type 'no'.
You obviously don't know me very well. I've contributed a ton to the PA/lecithin threads, including information on standardization and composition from papers, studies, books, manufactures, etc, and myself and others have already dealt with the estrogen issue regarding soy lecithin numerous times. In fact, I've even gone so far as to show that the amount of soy lecithin you'd be taking for PA would be far too little to have an effect to test/estrogen levels. It's been discussed every time someone brings up lecithin/PA. I checked this thread before my morning drive and didn't have time to formulate a more in depth response, but I wanted to remind myself to post in here, hence my short response. Should I have to dig through the plethora of other threads/posts/forms I've discussed this before and provide you specific examples? It's been beaten to death already IMO. A few tbsp of soy lecithin granules (de-oiled) is NOT going to mess with your test/estrogen levels, but it will provide you with >750mg PA and the benefits associated with PA supplementation. Now, don't go drinking glasses of soy milk and soy cheese and soy "meat," but a small amount of soy via lecithin granules is fine; the key is moderation my friend.Why would you just type 'no'.
What a remarkably clever way to contribute to a debate on a forum.
Your grasp of intellectual argument is very impressive indeed
Be my guest, but stating above that you have already dealt with the issue regarding estrogen certainly does not make you a scientist who has experimented on soy lecithin in detail. Secondly, I am not saying that the phytoestrogens raise the hormone in your body to excessive rates but I am saying that it does indeed contain them and that's a fact. Thirdly I did state that people should purchase the organic non gmo version as it's a lot safer than the version that uses hexane to extract the soy from the soy beans and that's also a fact and finally, phewwww, I said that sunflower lecithin is far more healthier albeit a little bit more expensive and that's also a fact.
If it contains them but they don't have a significant/notable/any effect on the body, is it worth pointing out or worrying about?
In regards to PA from lecithin granules, you're getting 4-8% PA, and the minimum amount of PA you really want to ensure you're getting 750mg PA is 18.75g. Quit a few of us have doubled that amount, give or take a bit, with success, but of course there's a limit with anything. Their mention of 3.6g was the max recommended dose for Phosphatidic Acid (PA), not soy lecithin. And it appears to me that he was mentioning that dose in regards to sunflower lecithin, not soy lecithin.
Yes, but isn't it irrelevant to the discussion here? Apples contain formaldehyde. So do spinach, grapes, and beets. Does that mean that I'm contributing anything of substance if I point this out every time someone asks me if vegetables/salads are healthy? Does it mean that you shouldn't eat plenty of vegetables? No, it doesn't. So while it is true, it doesn't make a difference really, just as adding a few hundred mgs of beetroot powder to a pre-workout is not going to provide you the benefits of nitrates (even though beetroot does contain nitrates), and having a bite of watermelon (which contains l-citrulline) is not going to give you the same benefit as taking 3-4g of l-citrulline. The amount/dose of an ingredient/supplement is just as important as the ingredient itself really, and mentioning one aspect without mentioning the other is irresponsible and potentially misleading IMO.
I just feel that it's much more valuable to perhaps say "soy lecithin granules do contain phytoestrogens, but the amount of phytoestrogens you're going to be getting when taking lecithin granules a source of PA is much less than the amount you'd need to increase estrogen or decrease testosterone; about 3-6% of the 100mg number." Perhaps it'd be worth saying don't overdo it, but again, even the 120g (which wasn't even for soy lecithin) that concerned you was used, it'd still be <1/5 the 100mg total, and I have a feeling that calories/fat and/or cost and/or stomach discomfort/feeling full/bloated would surely come before someone took enough lecithin granules to be estrogenic. So if's worth letting other people know just because it's true, should I tell everyone that spinach contains formaldehyde every time they say they're going to start eating more spinach?
But again, shouldn't I qualify my statement by saying that the amount of formaldehyde you'd be getting from a few servings of spinach isn't going to hurt you at all? If all I say is "spinach contains formaldehyde" and leave it at that, it may lead people to believe that they should avoid spinach due to this, when that is absolutely not the case.
I buy most of my vegetables at a farmers market not because of anything more than they taste better.
I'm gluten free (medical issues), what are you trying to say?
Can't remember who, but someone that does regular bloodwork (not a rep and not connected to any company), posted that they were using 4-5 tbsp/day of Fearns and had ZERO change in estro.
wtf?
It's interesting, but it's a n=1 anecdotal sample, and, while I haven't read it, I highly doubt it was a case study, and I there may have been other variables at play, if it's even true at all. Perhaps she had some sort of allergic reaction or a hypersensitivity of some sort. A ton of people, including many many elderly people, have been taking soy lecithin granules daily for years, decades even. If this sort of thing happened regularly, or even somewhat often, we'd hear a lot more about it. It's the Internet; be careful not to believe everything you read, and always remember, coincidence is not causation.
Also, are we even sure that SF derived PA is as effective as soy PA given equal PA content? I recall other sources of PA not performing as well as soy PA, although I do think some people have had success using SF PA here.
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