I want to know what has helped you the most...whether its a supplement...a diet...workout routine...this forum? (no hormones...thats too easy..lol). Let me know what and why. I'm interested to see what everyones thoughts are.
Interesting. I often want to forget what I learned form youtube. lolStraight up. YouTube. Whether it's cardio or educating myself. There is always something to learn from on YouTube. Can you imagine cardio without it?
I actually agree with you here. I wouldn't say YouTube has helped me out the most, however when I first started lifting I would watch various YouTube videos from different fitness experts which gave me a basic grasp on proper form and how to target the actual muscle that you are working.Straight up. YouTube. Whether it's cardio or educating myself. There is always something to learn from on YouTube. Can you imagine cardio without it?
Getting a nutrition coach I knew how to cut weight and diet from being a pro fighter and wrestling for years but I didn't know how to shred or adjust macros on an ongoing basis I just knew basics
I personally love having access to so many training protocols online. Has been a huge help in laying everything out. I know a lot of people like to go by feel but I much prefer having it all laid out before I even step foot in the gym.So it seems that people think diet has helped more than training protocols?
I think this is true as training can be a lot less personalized and still see similar results. Diet has to be nearly exact for YOU in order to be optimal.So it seems that people think diet has helped more than training protocols?
True, but I've seen some decent gains made off ****ty diets. I've also seen people react very well to a change in training, mainly increasing TUT.I think this is true as training can be a lot less personalized and still see similar results. Diet has to be nearly exact for YOU in order to be optimal.
I think good gains can cone from training I think diet becomes more important when your looking for visual changesTrue, but I've seen some decent gains made off ****ty diets. I've also seen people react very well to a change in training, mainly increasing TUT.
IMO someone making good gains on a crappy diet (although you'd have to define crappy diet as even this can gets murky) would be a result of either drugs or genetics.True, but I've seen some decent gains made off ****ty diets. I've also seen people react very well to a change in training, mainly increasing TUT.
Well of course its going to be genetics, but its not like they are some rare breed.IMO someone making good gains on a crappy diet (although you'd have to define crappy diet as even this can gets murky) would be a result of either drugs or genetics.
No, I don't think its stupid at all.If you just think logically its almost stupid to try and say which is more important (diet vs exercise). They go hand in hand.
Why? Try training and not eating or eating twinkies all day. Try eating without training and see if you make progress.No, I don't think its stupid at all.
Who says you have to be above average? Do you know of some magical genetic scale? I've seen plenty of lifters make decent gains with below average diet.Genetics above average by definition is kinda rare mate.
Why? Try training and not eating or eating twinkies all day. Try eating without training and see if you make progress.
Well depending on goals diet can do things exercise can't and exercise can do things diet cant.Genetics above average by definition is kinda rare mate.
Why? Try training and not eating or eating twinkies all day. Try eating without training and see if you make progress.
Thats where this is quickly going, into percentages of diet vs training. It will be an endless debate.Who says you have to be above average? Do you know of some magical genetic scale? I've seen plenty of lifters make decent gains with below average diet.
It wasn't a general point. I'm saying unequivocally that diet and training go hand in hand. One without the other is a waste of time. The better both are the better results will be.Way to bring in the total extremes to make a general point. :facepalm:
So? That the point...if its going into percentages, then one could be more important than the other depending on the individual.Thats where this is quickly going, into percentages of diet vs training. It will be an endless debate.
Your own argument proves it. The genetic elite...diet and training do not go hand in hand with them.Well I'm unconvinced but ok.
The best bodybuilders on the olympia stage (i.e. genetic elite) don't take diet as important as training or vice versa? I'm not sure what you mean, I'd say they do.Your own argument proves it. The genetic elite...diet and training do not go hand in hand with them.
My coach is stepping on the olympia stage in 11 weeks and right now diet is alot more important than training styleThe best bodybuilders on the olympia stage (i.e. genetic elite) don't take diet as important as training or vice versa? I'm not sure what you mean, I'd say they do.
Considering what I've seen them eat pre-content at times, no. Unless you consider bbcue sauce on your chicken all the time, healthy. You are even going further to the extreme now...the genetic elite on grams of drugs per week.The best bodybuilders on the olympia stage (i.e. genetic elite) don't take diet as important as training or vice versa? I'm not sure what you mean, I'd say they do.
Training "style"?My coach is stepping on the olympia stage in 11 weeks and right now diet is alot more important than training style
Too many variables admin this will be too timely for me to debate about. Its all good.Considering what I've seen them eat pre-content at times, no. Unless you consider bbcue sauce on your chicken all the time, healthy. You are even going further to the extreme now...the genetic elite on grams of drugs per week.
Hence my point...they are not equal for everyone or go hand-in-hand. It simply is not black and white.Too many variables admin this will be too timely for me to debate about. Its all good.
No he's no training crappy what I mean is during prep diet takes precedence over specific training like high volumefor hypertrophy. It's not that both aren't important but one is always going to be more important than the other based on specific goals.Training "style"?
Regardless, tell him to start training crappy..... He should be fine, right? Of course not.
Individuals differ also difference between competitors when your in precomp all you want to do is preserve the muscle you built in off season while shedding fat working out to preserve muscle is alot different than lifting to build your not even worried about strength it's granted your gonna lose strengthAll I can say is no matter what I am doing whether cutting or bulking or recomping I give diet and training the same priority. Both must be a spot on as I can get it. If I slack on either one the other will suffer.
What?Individuals differ also difference between competitors when your in precomp all you want to do is preserve the muscle you built in off season while shedding fat working out to preserve muscle is alot different than lifting to build your not even worried about strength it's granted your gonna lose strength
Maybe I worded wrong basically I was saying when dieting down your lifting protocol isn't going for new mass or strength gains those goals will take a hit to achieve stage ready bf%What?
Preserving = eating maintenance calories and increasing drug mgs
Building muscle= surplus of calories and increasing drug mgs
You're comparing two different dieting strategies.