BCAA mega-dose experiment results
- 04-10-2005, 11:47 PM
- 04-10-2005, 11:52 PM
Originally Posted by Sticks
Those are two of my secret exercises
04-10-2005, 11:55 PM
So that table that you gave, is that your complete diet, it comes up to around 3000 cals so I am assuming so, just doesnt seem like much real food until you get to the middle of the day, I am guessing that is because you work out in the morning? Is that your maintenance diet? How tall are you and what do you weigh?
04-11-2005, 01:22 AM
I think I know what the two secret exercises may be!!!!! One of them I think can be found in the last MD if what I think is right and I have a feeling Beast Laterals may be like something Mr. Charles Class uses....hehehe....am I right Derek!
04-11-2005, 01:49 AM
04-11-2005, 09:00 AM
Are you taking any rest between each exercise. Or do you super set them and do chest then back w/out resting and then rest before the next super set.Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
It just looks like a really long and high volume workout. Not sure if i could productively work through +20 sets during a single workout (but then i've never tried). Doing supersets would obviously help as they would be faster. How long does it normally take you to comlete a workout?
What are your thoughts on training to failure?
04-11-2005, 09:55 AM
04-11-2005, 12:07 PM
Yes, this was around my maintenance cals. I put my cals at maintenance to really test what how doses of BCAA would do, as I would gain if my cals were higher with or without the BCAA.Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
I workout in the morning, so I use shakes/whey surrounding my workout.
I am 5'10" and 212 pounds right now.
04-11-2005, 12:08 PM
I don't read MD and I have no clue what Charles Glass does, so I couldn't tell you.Originally Posted by MaNiaK1027
BTW, did you get my email?
04-11-2005, 12:10 PM
I should have metioned that I do not train to failure; I stop a rep or so shy of failure.Originally Posted by Sticks
I rest about 1-1.5 minutes between chest/back (Tris/bis, shoulders/traps, quads/calves) exercises when I am going for 3-5 reps and 1 minute when I am going for 6-10 reps.
My workouts take about 70 minutes.
04-11-2005, 12:18 PM
Yup, just trying to write up a detailed email back....will have a reply today bro! Thanks again!Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
04-11-2005, 04:37 PM
I figured that you weren't training to failure as that would be one hell of a workout. I've been training high volume low frequency for so long, I feel like I really need to change things up. Not really sure where i'm gonna go next though. Was thinking about trying DC's style of training but your routine has gotten me thinking as well. Thanks for the info.Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
04-12-2005, 06:24 PM
<hijack>Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
be careful when employing this technique, kids. feeling your feet is a GOOD thing. you only have to look at that photo of the squatter who broke his ankle in two and had the bar land on his neck ONCE to revise your position on this...
04-12-2005, 07:52 PM
04-12-2005, 08:06 PM
Can I guess what they are? I'm gonna say that X-pulldowns are just lat pulls with your arms crossed and beast lateral raises are holding the dumbbell with a supinated grip you raise all the way above your head to hit your traps and delts. Am I right?Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
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04-12-2005, 08:15 PM
Gonna have to give this a shot. I spend waaaay too much time in the gym for the amount of volume I work withOriginally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
04-12-2005, 10:00 PM
04-12-2005, 10:40 PM
saw it in a guy's avatar. dont remember what board it was. ****ing brutal. fux is a bodybuilder, right? this was a powerlifter, if BF% is the main aesthetic difference. he was all crumpled up on the ground, so it was a little hard to make out details. man i am wincing just thinking about it.Originally Posted by MaNiaK1027
04-12-2005, 10:44 PM
04-12-2005, 11:03 PM
So, are you gonna write an e-book with all your secret techniques?Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
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04-13-2005, 12:09 AM
Eventually after I make it big, then wash up and need moneyOriginally Posted by Aeternitatis
Seriously, I will one day.
04-13-2005, 01:40 AM
The argument that "genes" have little to do with bodycomposition is laughable at best, and more or less ****ing retarded. Anyone with half a brain can figure out that genes play a large, prominent role in bodycomposition. Any person who is 21 with the physique of Dereks caliber, without using androgens or prohormones has superior genetics. To be able to stay at 8% bodyfat year round is something most people cannot do, muscle:fat loss ratio while dieting and bulking being the problem. To achieve such muscularity at 21 is a feat most people cannot achieve.
What disturbs me as much as anything is saying that a more muscular physique can be attributed to dedication and knowledge, ex. dan duchaine, few would deny his knowledge in bodybuiling - yet his inability to achieve a very good physique was well known. This is worse than saying someone’s physique can be attributed to their genes. There are millions of gym rat retards out there with good physiques that have little or no knowledge in the arena, that are blessed with good genes.
So to summarize: Your results mean ****. They are probably not even statistically significant as calibers can be off by 1 or 2 percent easily. Further, one must question if you leniently let them be off to promote a product for a company you work for.
To close, i pose to you this question: Has there ever been a supplement you took that you have not responded favorably to? - Show me a log if so.
04-13-2005, 04:29 AM
04-13-2005, 04:38 AM
Bit harsh dont you think?Originally Posted by James007
I read the whole thread at bb.com, beginning to end, I dont feel that either Derek or Layne "pimped" Scivation products at all.
04-13-2005, 04:44 AM
Definitely. Genetics play a huge role. However, to look like he does isn't JUST b/c of genetics. It's genetics AND dedication.
Originally Posted by James007
04-13-2005, 04:47 AM
It was a bit harsh, James007 tends to come off that way, but that is the exact reason I would have liked to see the BCAA loading continued for more than one month. 4 weeks isn't enough to telll you much.Originally Posted by Andrew69
04-13-2005, 04:51 AM
Actually if the dude would have read through Derek's postings from when he started at BB.com he would realize that thousands know that this dude is ****ing honest and is the most anal dude I have ever seen at such a young age at monitoring everything in his life to achieve his goals ( a compliment actually, despite how it sounds!). Most do not have the ability to achieve a physique at any time in their life because Derek is far more dedicated than most. Plus he is a SELF-PROCLAIMED MESOMORPH! It's haters like you bro, that I just brush off!
04-13-2005, 04:52 AM
BUMP to seeing an extra month run!!!! Come on Marc, send the guy more XTEND!!!!
04-13-2005, 05:02 AM
Oooh...this word on BBing forums is tabooOriginally Posted by MaNiaK1027
I honestly think I'm pretty ________ but I don't bother saying jack. Plus, w/ a BF of 14-15% (I eat like a pig--i love snacks and mcdonalds But, I don't "gain" fat) people won't agree. People think you have to be shredded to the bone and huge to be meso. People have turned that word into some sort of god-like term. When, in reality, it's just not. Everyday I see people that are very mesomorphic who just don't bother to touch weights.
To see what a true mesomorph looks like early on in life, look at yates He's one of the few who will actually put up pics of himself before he trained. The rest of the IFBB crew (many of them) have to try and create this ridiculous status for themselves, like they were born w/ full pecs a six pack and naturally had 16" rock hard guns by highschool when that's just not the case. I'm sure they naturally had great physiques, but unless you're providing a stimulus for your muscles to grow, they're not going to get too huge.
edit: Just thought I'd add this to help clarify a few things regarding body types. It's simple, but really clears things up.
The ectomorph: short upper body, long arms and legs, long narrow feet and hands, and very little fat storage. This body type has a narrow chest and narrow shoulders and long, thin muscles.
The mesomorph: large chest, long torso, solid muscle structure and very strong.
The endomorph: short musculature, round face, short neck , wide hips, and heavy fat storage.
No one is totally one type but a combination of all three types. Any body type can be developed with the correct training and nutrition however people with different body types will need to approach their training with different objectives, even though they may all have the same goals.
Last edited by kwyckemynd00; 04-13-2005 at 06:56 AM.
04-13-2005, 07:07 AM
Lets not get confused here. Just b/c some is knowledgeable about something doesn't mean they correctly apply that knowledge to their own life. I'm not saying that derek doesn't have above average genetics or even great genetics. What I am saying is that achieving his level of fitness takes many factors, genetics being only one of them. I honestly believe that diet is the limiting factor for most people and a quick look through the log he posted will show you that this is not the case.Originally Posted by James007
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