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    Interesting workout routine. Any reason you do 2 chest exercises then 2 back exercises and then another 1-2 chest exercises. Is this just to allow your chest a solid rest before hitting it hard again?

    Also what are X pulldowns and beast laterals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sticks
    Interesting workout routine. Any reason you do 2 chest exercises then 2 back exercises and then another 1-2 chest exercises. Is this just to allow your chest a solid rest before hitting it hard again?

    Also what are X pulldowns and beast laterals?
    Actually I alternate between chest and back exercises. So I'll do a set on incline bench then a set of pull-ups, then go back to incline bench. I alternate between most antagonist muscle groups, which allows each muscle to rest more and saves time.

    Those are two of my secret exercises
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    So that table that you gave, is that your complete diet, it comes up to around 3000 cals so I am assuming so, just doesnt seem like much real food until you get to the middle of the day, I am guessing that is because you work out in the morning? Is that your maintenance diet? How tall are you and what do you weigh?
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    I think I know what the two secret exercises may be!!!!! One of them I think can be found in the last MD if what I think is right and I have a feeling Beast Laterals may be like something Mr. Charles Class uses....hehehe....am I right Derek!
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    Wow man you look good, i like the log detail also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
    Actually I alternate between chest and back exercises. So I'll do a set on incline bench then a set of pull-ups, then go back to incline bench. I alternate between most antagonist muscle groups, which allows each muscle to rest more and saves time.

    Those are two of my secret exercises
    Are you taking any rest between each exercise. Or do you super set them and do chest then back w/out resting and then rest before the next super set.

    It just looks like a really long and high volume workout. Not sure if i could productively work through +20 sets during a single workout (but then i've never tried). Doing supersets would obviously help as they would be faster. How long does it normally take you to comlete a workout?

    What are your thoughts on training to failure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
    So that table that you gave, is that your complete diet, it comes up to around 3000 cals so I am assuming so, just doesnt seem like much real food until you get to the middle of the day, I am guessing that is because you work out in the morning? Is that your maintenance diet? How tall are you and what do you weigh?
    Yes, this was around my maintenance cals. I put my cals at maintenance to really test what how doses of BCAA would do, as I would gain if my cals were higher with or without the BCAA.

    I workout in the morning, so I use shakes/whey surrounding my workout.

    I am 5'10" and 212 pounds right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaNiaK1027
    I think I know what the two secret exercises may be!!!!! One of them I think can be found in the last MD if what I think is right and I have a feeling Beast Laterals may be like something Mr. Charles Class uses....hehehe....am I right Derek!
    I don't read MD and I have no clue what Charles Glass does, so I couldn't tell you.

    BTW, did you get my email?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sticks
    Are you taking any rest between each exercise. Or do you super set them and do chest then back w/out resting and then rest before the next super set.

    It just looks like a really long and high volume workout. Not sure if i could productively work through +20 sets during a single workout (but then i've never tried). Doing supersets would obviously help as they would be faster. How long does it normally take you to comlete a workout?

    What are your thoughts on training to failure?
    I should have metioned that I do not train to failure; I stop a rep or so shy of failure.

    I rest about 1-1.5 minutes between chest/back (Tris/bis, shoulders/traps, quads/calves) exercises when I am going for 3-5 reps and 1 minute when I am going for 6-10 reps.

    My workouts take about 70 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
    BTW, did you get my email?
    Yup, just trying to write up a detailed email back....will have a reply today bro! Thanks again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
    I should have metioned that I do not train to failure; I stop a rep or so shy of failure.

    I rest about 1-1.5 minutes between chest/back (Tris/bis, shoulders/traps, quads/calves) exercises when I am going for 3-5 reps and 1 minute when I am going for 6-10 reps.

    My workouts take about 70 minutes.
    I figured that you weren't training to failure as that would be one hell of a workout. I've been training high volume low frequency for so long, I feel like I really need to change things up. Not really sure where i'm gonna go next though. Was thinking about trying DC's style of training but your routine has gotten me thinking as well. Thanks for the info.
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    What picture....of Jean Pierre Fux?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast

    Those are two of my secret exercises
    Can I guess what they are? I'm gonna say that X-pulldowns are just lat pulls with your arms crossed and beast lateral raises are holding the dumbbell with a supinated grip you raise all the way above your head to hit your traps and delts. Am I right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
    ....I alternate between most antagonist muscle groups, which allows each muscle to rest more and saves time.....
    Gonna have to give this a shot. I spend waaaay too much time in the gym for the amount of volume I work with
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitatis
    Can I guess what they are? I'm gonna say that X-pulldowns are just lat pulls with your arms crossed and beast lateral raises are holding the dumbbell with a supinated grip you raise all the way above your head to hit your traps and delts. Am I right?
    No sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaNiaK1027
    What picture....of Jean Pierre Fux?
    saw it in a guy's avatar. dont remember what board it was. ****ing brutal. fux is a bodybuilder, right? this was a powerlifter, if BF% is the main aesthetic difference. he was all crumpled up on the ground, so it was a little hard to make out details. man i am wincing just thinking about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitatis
    just lat pulls with your arms crossed
    ouch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast
    No sir.
    So, are you gonna write an e-book with all your secret techniques?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitatis
    So, are you gonna write an e-book with all your secret techniques?
    Eventually after I make it big, then wash up and need money
    Seriously, I will one day.
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    The argument that "genes" have little to do with bodycomposition is laughable at best, and more or less ****ing retarded. Anyone with half a brain can figure out that genes play a large, prominent role in bodycomposition. Any person who is 21 with the physique of Dereks caliber, without using androgens or prohormones has superior genetics. To be able to stay at 8% bodyfat year round is something most people cannot do, muscle:fat loss ratio while dieting and bulking being the problem. To achieve such muscularity at 21 is a feat most people cannot achieve.

    What disturbs me as much as anything is saying that a more muscular physique can be attributed to dedication and knowledge, ex. dan duchaine, few would deny his knowledge in bodybuiling - yet his inability to achieve a very good physique was well known. This is worse than saying someone’s physique can be attributed to their genes. There are millions of gym rat retards out there with good physiques that have little or no knowledge in the arena, that are blessed with good genes.

    So to summarize: Your results mean ****. They are probably not even statistically significant as calibers can be off by 1 or 2 percent easily. Further, one must question if you leniently let them be off to promote a product for a company you work for.

    To close, i pose to you this question: Has there ever been a supplement you took that you have not responded favorably to? - Show me a log if so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James007
    To close, i pose to you this question: Has there ever been a supplement you took that you have not responded favorably to? - Show me a log if so.
    this sounds reasonable.. the rest sounds a bit off key..
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    Quote Originally Posted by James007
    So to summarize: Your results mean ****. They are probably not even statistically significant as calibers can be off by 1 or 2 percent easily. Further, one must question if you leniently let them be off to promote a product for a company you work for.
    Bit harsh dont you think?
    I read the whole thread at bb.com, beginning to end, I dont feel that either Derek or Layne "pimped" Scivation products at all.
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    Definitely. Genetics play a huge role. However, to look like he does isn't JUST b/c of genetics. It's genetics AND dedication.

    Quote Originally Posted by James007
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew69
    Bit harsh dont you think?
    I read the whole thread at bb.com, beginning to end, I dont feel that either Derek or Layne "pimped" Scivation products at all.
    It was a bit harsh, James007 tends to come off that way, but that is the exact reason I would have liked to see the BCAA loading continued for more than one month. 4 weeks isn't enough to telll you much.
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    Actually if the dude would have read through Derek's postings from when he started at BB.com he would realize that thousands know that this dude is ****ing honest and is the most anal dude I have ever seen at such a young age at monitoring everything in his life to achieve his goals ( a compliment actually, despite how it sounds!). Most do not have the ability to achieve a physique at any time in their life because Derek is far more dedicated than most. Plus he is a SELF-PROCLAIMED MESOMORPH! It's haters like you bro, that I just brush off!
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    BUMP to seeing an extra month run!!!! Come on Marc, send the guy more XTEND!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaNiaK1027
    ....MESOMORPH....
    Oooh...this word on BBing forums is taboo

    I honestly think I'm pretty ________ but I don't bother saying jack. Plus, w/ a BF of 14-15% (I eat like a pig--i love snacks and mcdonalds But, I don't "gain" fat) people won't agree. People think you have to be shredded to the bone and huge to be meso. People have turned that word into some sort of god-like term. When, in reality, it's just not. Everyday I see people that are very mesomorphic who just don't bother to touch weights.

    To see what a true mesomorph looks like early on in life, look at yates He's one of the few who will actually put up pics of himself before he trained. The rest of the IFBB crew (many of them) have to try and create this ridiculous status for themselves, like they were born w/ full pecs a six pack and naturally had 16" rock hard guns by highschool when that's just not the case. I'm sure they naturally had great physiques, but unless you're providing a stimulus for your muscles to grow, they're not going to get too huge.

    edit: Just thought I'd add this to help clarify a few things regarding body types. It's simple, but really clears things up.

    The ectomorph: short upper body, long arms and legs, long narrow feet and hands, and very little fat storage. This body type has a narrow chest and narrow shoulders and long, thin muscles.


    The mesomorph: large chest, long torso, solid muscle structure and very strong.



    The endomorph: short musculature, round face, short neck , wide hips, and heavy fat storage.



    No one is totally one type but a combination of all three types. Any body type can be developed with the correct training and nutrition however people with different body types will need to approach their training with different objectives, even though they may all have the same goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James007
    What disturbs me as much as anything is saying that a more muscular physique can be attributed to dedication and knowledge, ex. dan duchaine, few would deny his knowledge in bodybuiling - yet his inability to achieve a very good physique was well known. This is worse than saying someone’s physique can be attributed to their genes. There are millions of gym rat retards out there with good physiques that have little or no knowledge in the arena, that are blessed with good genes.

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    Lets not get confused here. Just b/c some is knowledgeable about something doesn't mean they correctly apply that knowledge to their own life. I'm not saying that derek doesn't have above average genetics or even great genetics. What I am saying is that achieving his level of fitness takes many factors, genetics being only one of them. I honestly believe that diet is the limiting factor for most people and a quick look through the log he posted will show you that this is not the case.
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