Tell me yes or no and then tell me why!
Nope, in your eyes what do you think is better. Not trying to trick at all...with all the people getting results, its a good question to ask. Both seem to be cheap supplements that work....but who's king of the hill :lol:trick question? for the effect muscle fullness, yes, phosphatidic is better. strength, wins the creatine.
Unless you are a rare creatine non responder, I still think Creatine is best. Very proven, cheap ingredient. PA is only cheap if you use SL granules, but those are macros that some may not be able to fit into their diet.Tell me yes or no and then tell me why!
That's also what makes it really exciting, especially given that it can be sourced cheaply like creatine.Very true. If given the amount of time and research that creatine has, it could be just as good or better. Or not.
But could it be that PA hasnt yet been tested for all its benefits?Nope.
Amounts of data and studies on creatine to benefit everything from performance to muscle mass to some cognitive markers.
More benefits, more tested, better results IMO
Is caffeine a better stimulant than yohimbine or DMAA or AMP just because more studies support it?If I were saying "what ifs"
Maybe *insert any untested extract here* is the best
(next topic of the week)Is caffeine a better stimulant than yohimbine or DMAA or AMP just because more studies support it?
Haha(next topic of the week)
No lol but it needs some amountIs caffeine a better stimulant than yohimbine or DMAA or AMP just because more studies support it? Open to interpretation. In any case, PA gets mine for now because its new and shiny and I likes the new
Do it lol(next topic of the week)
Context and weighting play a role as well.No lol but it needs some amount
All you mentioned above could be rated by personal experience without fail, they are stimulants and not as complex as PA in terms of monitoring the effects
Next time I will go for the "PA blows chunks" answer and site its just my opinion lol
But my experience isn't my opinion; its my way of being fair even though I got nothing from it over 4 months, I acknowledge that many others do and studies support it. But on these same grounds Creatine stands higher
Do it lol
I guess thats why the thread exists, haha.
I just like playing devils advocate more than anything
It's funny you say this because I mentioned just yesterday in the PA thread that I don't know whether I will be able to stay on PA during my upcoming cut because of the increased appetite.Creatine greater than PA in my books. Solely because PA makes me hungry, very hungry. That is counter productive to my goals.
Ok I'll work up another post there tomorrow,It's funny you say this because I mentioned just yesterday in the PA thread that I don't know whether I will be able to stay on PA during my upcoming cut because of the increased appetite. Driven2Lift, I'll keep an eye out for your posts on the trade thread as I'm also Canadian.
pa is certainly not cheap supp companies are raping people for itNope, in your eyes what do you think is better. Not trying to trick at all...with all the people getting results, its a good question to ask. Both seem to be cheap supplements that work....but who's king of the hill :lol:
pa is certainly not cheap supp companies are raping people for it
Fightnews you old so and so where the hell have you beenpa is certainly not cheap supp companies are raping people for it
Just saw your trade thread...if you were running OG King Im not surprised you noticed nothing from it, I had to double dose in order to see any appreciable benefits/effects.Next time I will go for the "PA blows chunks" answer and site its just my opinion lol
But my experience isn't my opinion; its my way of being fair even though I got nothing from it over 4 months,
Ran double dose of 2 different ones, PA content was higher than is neededJust saw your trade thread...if you were running OG King Im not surprised you noticed nothing from it, I had to double dose in order to see any appreciable benefits/effects. Ive got some PhosphaMuscle on its way, if I find I notice the same benefits with it at its standard dose, well, I know what I will tentatively be concluding about OG King.
Ah okay, I wouldve been surpirised if you hadnt at least trialed ddosing.Ran double dose of 2 different ones, PA content was higher than is needed
I had 4 bottles lol I figured I might as wellAh okay, I wouldve been surpirised if you hadnt at least trialed ddosing.
yip, some of the rep/bro culture there has just about ruined that board for me, lets hope it dosnt contaminate AMAlso, can I just say how much I love this board? I followed the bb.com forums for the last year and it's mostly reps pimping products and "hookup" threads. Here at anabolicminds, you guys are actually discussing science and results in great threads like these.
For whatever it's worth I've been off of Creatine for about 3 or 4 weeks now myself and have been on PA for about the same amount of time.This is an interesting one for me. I recently quit taking creatine and began taking PA.
Why stop taking creatine, you might ask? I know it's highly unlikely, and the methodology of the one study that showed this was dubious, but creatine might increase DHT levels, and I'm beginning to bald, so I decided to see if I notice decreased shedding/hair-loss by taking a break from creatine for a couple months.
It's only been 3 weeks, so I'm probably still saturated, but I have noticed a slight decline in strength, e.g. 1 less rep on heavy lifts (placebo?).
However, I have greater muscle fullness than I've ever had, and endurance hasn't gone down. I would attribute the former (and possibly the latter) to the PA.
We'll see what happens after another 3-4 weeks, but so far, I'm ok with the tradeoff!
If you can, up the dose to 4 tbsp. You won't be disappointed. There is a very noticeable difference in pump, muscle fullness and endurance at that dosage.Thank you guys for posting about PA. Bought some Fearns SL on Saturday. I am taking 2 tablespoons a day. I did my first chest/back day yesterday. I felt a good pump. Strength was good. Today was my first leg day and I felt a difference. My mind-muscle connection was noticeably different. I am 47 and have been working out since I was 15 and I felt a unique feeling with regard to my muscles while doing the Bodymaster lying leg press. So there is a noticeable effect? It is early, but thearly results are promising.
As for creatine, I love the stuff. I remember when it first came out. I bought some monohydrate and gained 10 pounds of intramuscular water. I recovered faster and loved it. It was the first supplement that ever worked for me. I still use it. I use HCL. I bought a kilo for less than $30. I prefer it because it does not give me an upset stomach like monohydrate was prone to do.
My hope is that both supps work synergistically and I benefit from them both of them. I will update this in a month or so. Thanks again for sharing your expertise and experience from PA. Without you all and this forum I would have never even heard of it.
Doug
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