Kickstart7
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Well it's self explanatory, I'd like to hear some opinions.
If your worried then why cut? You'll be dreading it most likely obviously. You could cut slow down calories to 200-400 below maintenance then slowly bulk to increase 50-80 calories each weeks mostly from carbs. Anyways no matter what you do, DO NOT JUST CUT OUT ALOT OF CALORIES RIGHT AWAY, it's a slow process and is minimal fat gain. Or include carb cycling and that will help too. Is not hard tbh, it's just putting the diet principles the work 105% and making the best of it.This is a timely thread, about to hit my cutting season and I fear muscle loss more than anything.
I'm familiar of how to recomp and cut properly. Thanks for the concernIf your worried then why cut? You'll be dreading it most likely obviously. You could cut slow down calories to 200-400 below maintenance then slowly bulk to increase 50-80 calories each weeks mostly from carbs. Anyways no matter what you do, DO NOT JUST CUT OUT ALOT OF CALORIES RIGHT AWAY, it's a slow process and is minimal fat gain. Or include carb cycling and that will help too. Is not hard tbh, it's just putting the diet principles the work 105% and making the best of it.
The data shows hydro whey is actually the poorest choice you can make for muscle preservation as far as protein powders are concerned. This is because it is rapidly metabolized and converted to glucose rather then used for anabolism/anti-catabolismIn my experience: hydrolized whey. Not only am I preserving muscle but also having very little appetite from going from all whole food protein to incorporating some hydro whey. I have never had the same results from regular protein or bcaa/eaa or a combo of both. But it could be just me.
Can't go wrong with E9 brotha!I'll stick with ergonine and look into some of these other suggestions. Always love hearing what you guys have to say
I agree!Can't go wrong with E9 brotha!
Sure, and this is why I find my experience so baffling.The data shows hydro whey is actually the poorest choice you can make for muscle preservation as far as protein powders are concerned. This is because it is rapidly metabolized and converted to glucose rather then used for anabolism/anti-catabolism
adding norcodrene can't hurt either!I think Ergonine + Forskolin is in my cuts from now on
This along with some PA.HICA and Foskolin
thank JiigzzKeep protein high. Keep fat within range and manipulate carbs to suit the deficit.
Gonna order soy lecithin granules. I have some osta. The unsure unique effects of osta scare me off since I just completed pct or that'd be choice #1 with E9This along with some PA. Ostarine for me at 15mg was very good for a bit of recomp.
Then your shouldn't be so worried about losing muscle if you know what your doing.I'm familiar of how to recomp and cut properly. Thanks for the concern
I'm doing a team conditioning , workouts are gruesome and changed all the time. There's no way to tell how much I'm burning one day to the next. It's very hard to figure out how many calories I'll need everyday. That's why I'm relying on the extra aid or supplementThen your shouldn't be so worried about losing muscle if you know what your doing.
We have the same goals and almost the same situation there bro. I came from pct 6 weeks ago and not ready for another cycle yet so for myself my choice is set:Gonna order soy lecithin granules. I have some osta. The unsure unique effects of osta scare me off since I just completed pct or that'd be choice #1 with E9
Even if used intra-workout with hi-tech carbs?The data shows hydro whey is actually the poorest choice you can make for muscle preservation as far as protein powders are concerned. This is because it is rapidly metabolized and converted to glucose rather then used for anabolism/anti-catabolism
Human data for preserving muscle in a deficit:
HICA
Forskolin
HMB-FA
Its utilization isn't the concern, typically when it comes to muscle preservation what you want is a positive nitrogen balance long term through the day.Even if used intra-workout with hi-tech carbs?
The reason for my question is that many use eaa's intra exactly with preserving muscle in mind. Hydro would be a good source of eaa'sIts utilization isn't the concern, typically when it comes to muscle preservation what you want is a positive nitrogen balance long term through the day.
Its not bad, and sure it is quick digesting if you want it pre workout, or intra, but over your 24 hour day the data leans to blends including casein as being more effective.
Also as was mentioned, BCAAs or HICA/HMB can be used in fasted periods to help as well.
Yes that helps, absolutely.The reason for my question is that many use eaa's intra exactly with preserving muscle in mind. Hydro would be a good source of eaa's
Yeah, I know that. I use whole foods of course and blend protein powders as my sourcesYes that helps, absolutely.
Not a bad idea, But recovery and growth from a workout is 24-48 hours or more, using a protein that digests in a very short time-frame is not my preference when trying to hold onto my lean mass on a cut where I am in a negative energy balance constantly, and want to optimize nitrogen retention.
If you are getting plenty of protein before/after your workout its fine
ARA and E9 have been great to me but my ARA is ending soonWe have the same goals and almost the same situation there bro. I came from pct 6 weeks ago and not ready for another cycle yet so for myself my choice is set: Recompadrol, E9, PA, Ara, leucine and f95/anabeta elite. Second half to push for single digit I'm hitting some sarms with eca.
I feel the struggleARA and E9 have been great to me but my ARA is ending soon
So thank you for the suggestions man !
Not the same for everyone, though. In my case, with a significant casein intake I'd lose muscle so fast that my gym undershirts would wreak of ammonia and take a dozen washes to get the stink out. So it must be a matter of utilization for some like me because the hydro stuff lets me get stronger while dieting. It is rarely a matter of speed of delivery. It is almost invariably a matter of availability to muscle tissue and that's where some differ, regardless of what the studies indicate.Its utilization isn't the concern, typically when it comes to muscle preservation what you want is a positive nitrogen balance long term through the day.
Its not bad, and sure it is quick digesting if you want it pre workout, or intra, but over your 24 hour day the data leans to blends including casein as being more effective.
Once you hit the dose of lecithin that works your appetite would be through the roof. You'd hit a buffet or two and you'd spare all muscleGonna order soy lecithin granules. I have some osta. The unsure unique effects of osta scare me off since I just completed pct or that'd be choice #1 with E9
I don't think it is any more "available to muscle tissue" but if it works for you go for it everyone is different.Not the same for everyone, though. In my case, with a significant casein intake I'd lose muscle so fast that my gym undershirts would wreak of ammonia and take a dozen washes to get the stink out. So it must be a matter of utilization for some like me because the hydro stuff lets me get stronger while dieting. It is rarely a matter of speed of delivery. It is almost invariably a matter of availability to muscle tissue and that's where some differ, regardless of what the studies indicate.
None of those protein studies used subjects on a bodybuilder crunch time cutting diets and training though, so would be interesting if things change under those conditions.Its utilization isn't the concern, typically when it comes to muscle preservation what you want is a positive nitrogen balance long term through the day.
Its not bad, and sure it is quick digesting if you want it pre workout, or intra, but over your 24 hour day the data leans to blends including casein as being more effective.
Also as was mentioned, BCAAs or HICA/HMB can be used in fasted periods to help as well.
It is more available but it also processes out quicker as well so hydro whey and hydro casein are better utilized in pre/intra/post. Other times, they are a waste.I don't think it is any more "available to muscle tissue" but if it works for you go for it everyone is different.
That is a very odd effect to attribute to casein.
I don't see how that would happen at all but maybe I will hand your original question back over to mr.cooper69
I wish every study was done in training individuals to make my life easier lol.None of those protein studies used subjects on a bodybuilder crunch time cutting diets and training though, so would be interesting if things change under those conditions.
Oh what a perfect world that would be.I wish every study was done in training individuals to make my life easier lol. Most weight loss studies use obese subjects. Most myogenic ingredients are tested in the elderly. We get the shaft because we don't "need" it. If I ever win the lotto I'm funding studies lol
I mean, they used athletes instead. No study is perfect but that's a pretty good approximation. If anything, as one diets, the preponderance for AAs to be used for gluconeogenesis would increaseNone of those protein studies used subjects on a bodybuilder crunch time cutting diets and training though, so would be interesting if things change under those conditions.
Cause if you did your hw then you would know muscle loss is inevitable when on a deficit.Well then why do you fear muscle lose so much?
exactly what I'm talking about. I know I'll be in a deficit with this hard conditioning + weight training after it. It's get tricky to gauge how much I'll need no matter what:Cause if you did your hw then you would know muscle loss is inevitable when on a deficit.