Creatine and dieting NATTYS ONLY

[GAINZZ4DAYZZ]

Can I use creatine while cutting and still see gains and make progress?

 

[Spaniard]

If you're cutting, you're not going to see gains because you'd be in a calorie deficit. If you want to recomp, you could see loss of fat with the addition of muscle.

Creatine realistically won't make a huge difference in this scenario as far as mass gains are concerned however, it could very well help you continue to progress, which in the long run will help you to further your goals. Creatine IMO, should be taken pretty much by anyone that can take it.

 

[GAINZZ4DAYZZ]

If you're cutting, you're not going to see gains because you'd be in a calorie deficit. If you want to recomp, you could see loss of fat with the addition of muscle.

Creatine realistically won't make a huge difference in this scenario as far as mass gains are concerned however, it could very well help you continue to progress, which in the long run will help you to further your goals. Creatine IMO, should be taken pretty much by anyone that can take it.

Would it help retain muscle and strength?

 

[Spaniard]

The determining factors for muscle and strength retention are going to be largely diet and training dependent. To retain mass and strength through your cut be sure to maintain your numbers for training. To hang onto your hard earned mass be sure not to cut calories too dramatically.

Could creatine help? Sure it could, creatine is a wonder supplement. I just do not want to see you put too much emphasis on a supplement and end up disappointed. Look into TMG as well, it has some positive data on muscle gain and fat loss in trained subjects.

 

[jakz]

Would it help retain muscle and strength?

Strength definitely.For cutting I would suggest Creatine ethyl ester though,as Mono makes me hold water.Use Leucine for better muscle retention

 

[Piledahlaren]

Strength definitely.For cutting I would suggest Creatine ethyl ester though,as Mono makes me hold water.Use Leucine for better muscle retention

I may be wrong but aint CEE useless? I go with creatine hcl

 

[The Solution]

Get a mono.
Take 3-5g on workout days after 5g of 30 days worth
no cycling/loading necessary

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2649889/
http://www.jissn.com/content/6/1/6

Conclusion

Creatine ethyl ester did not show any additional benefit to increase muscle strength or performance than creatine monohydrate or maltodextose placebo.

Additionally, total body mass, fat mass, fat-free mass, and thigh muscle mass were not significantly enhanced with creatine ethyl ester supplementation compared to placebo or creatine monohydrate groups.

I. The vast majority of the improvement observed in the present study can most likely be attributed to the training protocol itself, rather than the supplementation.

Furthermore, it appears that the skeletal muscle uptake of creatine ethyl ester uptake was not significant enough to increase skeletal muscle creatine levels without significant degradation to creatinine occurring.

 

[aaronuconn]

Strength definitely.For cutting I would suggest Creatine ethyl ester though,as Mono makes me hold water.Use Leucine for better muscle retention

CEE is not worth it and been shown to be less effective.

If you want a designer creatine, go with something like Green Mag (MCC).

 

[Sean1332]

CEE is not worth it and been shown to be less effective. If you want a designer creatine, go with something like Green Mag (MCC).

Which would also give him some Betaine.

If not that, I stick with mono as well.

 

[jakz]

CEE is not worth it and been shown to be less effective.

If you want a designer creatine, go with something like Green Mag (MCC).

Personally it is the ONLY creatine I got any results with,but THATS JUST ME

 

[jimbuick]

Green magnitude is solid.

USP has ModernCreatine now too, which looks awesome.

 

[LeanEngineer]

I usually dont use creatine personal when im cutting. I usual just use it when im bulking because it lets me gain strength and hold water. But if you want to check out some creatine products here is our creatine page at Strong Supplement Shop.
http://www.strongsupplementshop.com/creatine?limit=all

 

[Swolbraham]

Wasn't creatine banned in DASCA?










Not srs

 

[Gainaddict]

Would BCAA's not benefit him much more than Creatine?

 

[jakz]

Would BCAA's not benefit him much more than Creatine?

Like I said,Leucine for muscle retention

 

[Gainaddict]

Like I said,Leucine for muscle retention

must have over looked that post, sorry man. I hate when people incessantly repeat previous posts. But for real I'd say a healthy dose of BCAA's should be the first thing you worry about and adding in Creatine certainly wouldn't hurt but those aminos would do a lot in the way of preserving muscle mass.

 

[jakz]

must have over looked that post, sorry man. I hate when people incessantly repeat previous posts. But for real I'd say a healthy dose of BCAA's should be the first thing you worry about and adding in Creatine certainly wouldn't hurt but those aminos would do a lot in the way of preserving muscle mass.

No problem .I agree 100%

 

[AntM1564]

Creatine is great for cutting or bulking. Creatine monohydrate at 3-5 grams daily is all one needs. Cremax is a solid creatine option. Not only do you get your 5 grams, but each serving has taurine which will help with hydration, betanine which increases performance and can have a positive effect on body composition, and cop which aids in recovery and endurance.

 

[The Solution]

must have over looked that post, sorry man. I hate when people incessantly repeat previous posts. But for real I'd say a healthy dose of BCAA's should be the first thing you worry about and adding in Creatine certainly wouldn't hurt but those aminos would do a lot in the way of preserving muscle mass.

most people get adequate BCAA's daily from whole foods.

 

[BrianP0523]

T3/clen/test/var. save the creatine for a bulk or when off imho.

 

[hvactech]

T3/clen/test/var. save the creatine for a bulk or when off imho.

Since when are these natural?

 

[GAINZZ4DAYZZ]

Since when are these natural?

Haha he's trolling!

 

[GAINZZ4DAYZZ]

What's the difference of bcaas and protien when it comes to preserving muscle?

 

[GAINZZ4DAYZZ]

Anyone use ara? Would that help?

 

[hvactech]

What's the difference of bcaas and protien when it comes to preserving muscle?

If youre reaching adequate protein intake then bcaas wont aid much..

 

[hvactech]

Anyone use ara? Would that help?

No, not directly....

 

[AaronJP1]

What's the difference of bcaas and protien when it comes to preserving muscle?

Some people just use BCAAs for a few main reasons:
1) Going w/o food for a while, that would also apply to training fasted. Before/during/after training.

2) Insurance on a weight loss program.

3) Drinking for taste & through out the day when they may not be getting adequate food, also some proteins mess w/peoples stomachs so the BCAAs can come into play there as well.

As far as creatine, it's a proven supplement with a ton of studies. It can help you add mass, improve your overall work out performance as well as improve strength and muscular endurance.

 

[Gainaddict]

What's your stats OP? What diet and cut do you plan on doing? More info the better.

 

[GAINZZ4DAYZZ]

What's your stats OP? What diet and cut do you plan on doing? More info the better.

High protien zero carb

 

[Gainaddict]

High protien zero carb

what's the actual macro count?
For example 300 pro, 600 carb, 70 fat (purely an example)

 

[GAINZZ4DAYZZ]

what's the actual macro count?
For example 300 pro, 600 carb, 70 fat (purely an example)

1500calories
150-180 protien zero carbs and not really counting fats

 

[Gainaddict]

How do you plan on consuming zero carbs? And you can't possibly expect to continue eating no carbs and not suffer from it. While fats won't make you fat they do result in the most calories from a single gram so why would you cut the carbs so low and then not count fat?
Is your goal to recomp or cut? Also age, height and weight would help.

 

[GAINZZ4DAYZZ]

How do you plan on consuming zero carbs? And you can't possibly expect to continue eating no carbs and not suffer from it. While fats won't make you fat they do result in the most calories from a single gram so why would you cut the carbs so low and then not count fat?
Is your goal to recomp or cut? Also age, height and weight would help.

I do that just cuz it's Easyer for me I don't like counting out every macro it drives me crazy after a while lol

I'm 5"6 185ishlbs I wanna cut down to 170

 

[Gainaddict]

Body fat percentage estimate

 

[Spaniard]

Green magnitude is solid.

USP has ModernCreatine now too, which looks awesome.

Have you checked out VITAL1TY? And before you say how similar they are, ours was released first.

 

[GAINZZ4DAYZZ]

Body fat percentage estimate

I got it measured it said 20%

 

[Gainaddict]

I got it measured it said 20%

I'd honestly suggest keeping that protein above 180, keep the junk carbs eliminated and get carbs from veggies at every meal and adding in some rice won't kill you or your goals, and don't let your fats go nuts. I'm not a trainer or diet coach man so I don't really have a place to hand out advice like that but for real you need those carbs to stay healthy and the weight will come off fast if you kill those weights and hit some cardio, especially a stairmill if you have one to use.

 

[Jiigzz]

Solid advice ITT but OP is 16

 

[Spaniard]

Solid advice ITT but OP is 16

Good catch

 

[Gainaddict]

Missed it in the other thread, good catch.

 

[jakz]

If you're 16,then you can use a protein blend which should have BCAA in.You have enough Test for muscle retention

 

[jakz]

Sorry for the dubble post,app is very dodgy

 

[GAINZZ4DAYZZ]

Solid advice ITT but OP is 16

And why does that matter?

 

[The Solution]

If youre reaching adequate protein intake then bcaas wont aid much..

most people get adequate BCAA's daily from whole foods.

^^^^^^^

 

[jimbuick]

Have you checked out VITAL1TY? And before you say how similar they are, ours was released first.

I can't say I have, didn't even know it was a thing.

Just looked it up and it looks good, don't know crap about the phosphatidylserine though.

Price looks pretty good too, flavors sound good but I've never tried any of OLs stuff so I don't know if the flavoring is any good lol.

 

[CJNator]

Vitality by Olympus Labs

 

[jgntyce]

Vitality by Olympus Labs

will be getting Vital1ty later on today, per UPS!!!!