TUDCA, LIV 52, or both?

[jgntyce]

Which is better for long term liver health? Is it better to take both during and after a PH cycle?

 

[heavylifter33]

Liv52 is complete garbage. Something like CEL Cycle Assist is great for prohormone use, and for general health. TUDCA is very potent, but also very expensive and very hard to source. I use Cycle Assist at 1 serving a day just for general health. Makes it very cost effective considering the servings contained in 1 bottle.

 

[jgntyce]

Liv52 is complete garbage. Something like CEL Cycle Assist is great for prohormone use, and for general health. TUDCA is very potent, but also very expensive and very hard to source. I use Cycle Assist at 1 serving a day just for general health. Makes it very cost effective considering the servings contained in 1 bottle.

why is Liv52 garbage? Some very respected forum members swear by it

 

[jakz]

why is Liv52 garbage? Some very respected forum members swear by it

I have to agree..I wouldn't say garbage,but it is very over hyped.Tudca is a complete superior just my ,02c

 

[jgntyce]

I have to agree..I wouldn't say garbage,but it is very over hyped.Tudca is a complete superior just my ,02c

gotcha. I currently take TUDCA and will continue to. However, a buddy of mine had some extra LIV52 so I was wondering if it won't hurt if I take it as well, just for the added protection.

 

[warrior737]

Liv52 is complete garbage. Something like CEL Cycle Assist is great for prohormone use, and for general health. TUDCA is very potent, but also very expensive and very hard to source. I use Cycle Assist at 1 serving a day just for general health. Makes it very cost effective considering the servings contained in 1 bottle.

Mist be hundreds if not thousands of studies confirming the effectiveness of LIV 52 10 years before tudca. Its just a bit outdated now. You still cannot beat 6 bottles for 21$ shipped.;

 

[scope75]

Mist be hundreds if not thousands of studies confirming the effectiveness of LIV 52 10 years before tudca. Its just a bit outdated now. You still cannot beat 6 bottles for 21$ shipped.;

Yeah I think the cheap price makes some think it's a cheap supp when its a tried and true supp that's not just marked up like crazy.

 

[LeanEngineer]

If its between those two I would have to agree I would go with tudca. Its your best bet. Or get a really good on cycle support supp. If you haven't committed to those two I would check out our top 5 on cycle support supps at Strong Supplement Shop. http://www.strongsupplementshop.com/top-5-on-cycle-support

 

[jakz]

Yeah I think the cheap price makes some think it's a cheap supp when its a tried and true supp that's not just marked up like crazy.

Like I said it is a good product,cheap and effective, but Tudca is a wonder for the liver.Why not both haha

 

[warrior737]

I would run both IMO. I am just too cheap to get some tudca yet. Maybe next run.

 

[jakz]

I use milk thistle and now and then i cleanse with Tudca and detox,makes for a 100% liver

 

[scope75]

Like I said it is a good product,cheap and effective, but Tudca is a wonder for the liver.Why not both haha

Both is how I roll.
Liv52 is just to cheap and effective not to be using it.

 

[blacklac]

Mist be hundreds if not thousands of studies confirming the effectiveness of LIV 52 10 years before tudca. Its just a bit outdated now. You still cannot beat 6 bottles for 21$ shipped.;

Frankly, that's a huge red flag. ~$3/bottle.

 

[warrior737]

Not shipped from India and in sealed packages... I bet you just bought some PH or DS on clearance for around the same.. blacklac

 

[scope75]

Frankly, that's a huge red flag. ~$3/bottle.

So if it ran 30 a bottle you'd feel better about using it?? Lol

 

[jgntyce]

Both is how I roll. Liv52 is just to cheap and effective not to be using it.

do you take both at the same time?

 

[scope75]

Yes from start all the way threw pct.

 

[warrior737]

I'd run it through pct as well. Just never used Tudca yet. I will next time its onsale

 

[jgntyce]

right on! with my taking TUDCA already, LIV 52 can only help! thanks brothers!

 

[blacklac]

Not shipped from India and in sealed packages... I bet you just bought some PH or DS on clearance for around the same.. blacklac

So you paid $21 for 6 bottle AND international shipping? Ok... Lol

I dont get your 2nd point... Is LIV52 being banned? Do they have a reason to make zero profit or possibly lose money on this sale?

I honestly dont even care. I wouldn't buy the product. Its just, if its sounds too good to be true... You know the rest.

 

[heavylifter33]

I love how people like to talk about "the studies" regarding Liv52 yet have any of you even bothered to look in to the facts? I have. Hence i'm completely justified saying that Liv52 is over-hyped and an overall poor product in regards to others on the market, especially Cycle Assist. And i could care less who swears by it. I know plenty of guys with better physiques than myself who swear by glutamine, doesn't make them right.

 

[T-Bone]

Liv-52 is a joke.

 

[jgntyce]

I love how people like to talk about "the studies" regarding Liv52 yet have any of you even bothered to look in to the facts? I have. Hence i'm completely justified saying that Liv52 is over-hyped and an overall poor product in regards to others on the market, especially Cycle Assist. And i could care less who swears by it. I know plenty of guys with better physiques than myself who swear by glutamine, doesn't make them right.

and I am here to learn. how is it a poor product? bad ingredients? bad side effects? thanks for your help.

 

[kbayne]

TUDCA + Cycle assit.

 

[mw1]

TUDCA + Cycle assit.

This^^^^

 

[Spaniard]

Liv52 is complete garbage. Something like CEL Cycle Assist is great for prohormone use, and for general health. TUDCA is very potent, but also very expensive and very hard to source. I use Cycle Assist at 1 serving a day just for general health. Makes it very cost effective considering the servings contained in 1 bottle.

Agreed on all accounts although we (OL) have TUDCA it is a little on the expensive side but it's an expensive ingredient.

TUDCA + Cycle assit.

This^^^^

×3

don't skimp on the supports guys. You only have one liver

 

[koi1214]

This^^^^

This x4!!

 

[jgntyce]

Any first hand knowledge as to why Liv 52 is "garbage"? poor ingredients? bad side effects? I am curious to know.

 

[jgntyce]

and I am here to learn. how is it a poor product? bad ingredients? bad side effects? thanks for your help.

no answer as to why Liv 52 is garbage...it must be legit then since it seems it's only others' opinions about the product.

 

[mr.cooper69]

Any first hand knowledge as to why Liv 52 is "garbage"? poor ingredients? bad side effects? I am curious to know.

It's underdosed and the "studies" are all published in bottom of the barrel journals that accept any submitted papers

 

[jgntyce]

It's underdosed and the "studies" are all published in bottom of the barrel journals that accept any submitted papers

ok thanks brother

 

[heavylifter33]

no answer as to why Liv 52 is garbage...it must be legit then since it seems it's only others' opinions about the product.

Hey mate sorry i don't sit around the computer all day. I work 2 jobs, as well as being a rep, plus school, plus gym, plus social life. You'll excuse me if i don't answer everything instantly.

 

[Rudex]

TUDCA is very good.

 

[Jiigzz]

Frankly, that's a huge red flag. ~$3/bottle.

Are people seriously praising liv52? hahahah

 

[Jiigzz]

no answer as to why Liv 52 is garbage...it must be legit then since it seems it's only others' opinions about the product.

Its legit because people dont answer within 5 minutes?

 

[warrior737]

Im not saying skimp on support by any means. If it is really truly underdosed, you could literally run it triple the dosage for at least twice as long (with or without another support). And for half the cost of what most of the reps are pushing. No offence but many of the OP above still have no answer as to why it is "garbage".

 

[jgntyce]

Hey mate sorry i don't sit around the computer all day. I work 2 jobs, as well as being a rep, plus school, plus gym, plus social life. You'll excuse me if i don't answer everything instantly.

ok sorry mate. so can you give me the "facts" that you found out as to why the product is garbage? you replied back, but gave no "facts" about it. thanks and I didn't mean to offend you.

 

[jgntyce]

Are people seriously praising liv52? hahahah

so why is it not a praiseworthy product from your knowledge?

 

[mr.cooper69]

Im not saying skimp on support by any means. If it is really truly underdosed, you could literally run it triple the dosage for at least twice as long (with or without another support). And for half the cost of what most of the reps are pushing. No offence but many of the OP above still have no answer as to why it is "garbage".

Here is the label. Notice how nothing is extracted. Triple dosing won't get you anywhere. There is no way you could humanly get a high enough daily dose without vomiting. This is because there are no actives, just a bunch of raw plant

 

[jgntyce]

Here is the label. Notice how nothing is extracted. Triple dosing won't get you anywhere. There is no way you could humanly get a high enough daily dose without vomiting. This is because there are no actives, just a bunch of raw plant

thanks for the help! I'm glad I have TUDCA

 

[kbayne]

thanks for the help! I'm glad I have TUDCA

Good choice.

TUDCA is quite expensive but well worth it for the multiple benefits one gets.

 

[warrior737]

Weird. My label doesn't seem to have you prop blend.... mr.cooper69

 

[Jiigzz]

Weird. My label doesn't seem to have you prop blend.... mr.cooper69

Quoted

 

[Jiigzz]

Im not saying skimp on support by any means. If it is really truly underdosed, you could literally run it triple the dosage for at least twice as long (with or without another support). And for half the cost of what most of the reps are pushing. No offence but many of the OP above still have no answer as to why it is "garbage".

OP means original poster; each thread only has one

 

[T-Bone]

"Quoted"

Quotes.

 

[warrior737]

Op can be original person or original people. Troll someone else.

 

[jgntyce]

Op can be original person or original people. Troll someone else.

when we ask for the facts about why Liv 52 is a poor product, they respond, but without giving us the facts, except for Mr. Cooper. oh well, TUDCA it is for superior liver support, but I will still take LIV 52 just for the extra added protection.

 

[koi1214]

its funny because when we ask for the facts about why Liv 52 is a poor product, they respond, but without giving us the facts, except for Mr. Cooper. oh well, TUDCA it is, but I will still take LIV 52 just for the extra added protection.

Here is some info for you to read on LIV 52.

http://www.himalayawellness.com/pdf_files/liv238.pdf
http://www.himalayawellness.com/research/liv52.htm

 

[jgntyce]

Here is some info for you to read on LIV 52. http://www.himalayawellness.com/pdf_files/liv238.pdf http://www.himalayawellness.com/research/liv52.htm

KOI! now you are definitely one of the more respected members here and you provided the exact same studies that I have already read about the efficacy of LIV 52. thanks brother!

 

[koi1214]

KOI! now you are definitely one of the more respected members here and you provided the exact same studies that I have already read about the efficacy of LIV 52. thanks brother!

TUDCA is still much better for liver and other added benefits.As long as you have both, I agree with you.Use them both!If I had to chose 1, I will chose TUDCA hands down.