Single best ingredient for acute strength gains

[SoupNaziNazi]

Interested in people's opinions. So here is the list to choose from;

Potassium nitrate(or any nitrates)
Caffeine
Ephedrine
PA(specifically lecithin granules)
Alpha-GPC
Amento
AMP citrate(if u can still get it)

Curious what people think is the best single ingredient. Feel free to add one to the list if I didn't say it but keep in mind we are talking acute strength gains.

 

[Rodja]

EC+Amentomax

All are cheap and easy to administer.

 

[goodvibes]

If we're talking single ingredient caffeine will always be king imo.

Running EC is just pure energy though

For push movements my best came from EC + ArA, for pulls Osta + Folli

 

[kissdadookie]

Stimulants. That's it.

 

[kisaj]

Yep, anything that is a stimulant. Always nice to have nitrates involved, though.

 

[Swolljaboi]

I'm making excellent progress since I started using amento and PA (soy lecithin)

 

[wray98]

Caffeine is king..... and amp is still available in abundance.

 

[NewAgeMayan]

Amento for me, 120mg, hands down

 

[mw1]

Nitrates for me

 

[ELROCK]

Interested in people's opinions. So here is the list to choose from;

Potassium nitrate(or any nitrates)
Caffeine
Ephedrine
PA(specifically lecithin granules)
Alpha-GPC
Amento
AMP citrate(if u can still get it)

Curious what people think is the best single ingredient. Feel free to add one to the list if I didn't say it but keep in mind we are talking acute strength gains.

Out of the choices provided: Amento

 

[paula]

Anabeta

 

[Abe Lincoln]

sns xgels (ArA)

 

[Philosophy]

Not listed, however COP was acute for me.

 

[T-Bone]

I'm looking to try Antaeus Labs Ultra-Stano as part of my next cycle. Supposedly it's really good for strength.

 

[McCrew530]

Laxogenin, 5a-hydroxy in transdermal form was good to me
ARA was also solid

 

[SwolenONE]

Truly accute (from the first dose) caffeine and amento

Fast acting and undoubtedly the best for strength Arachidonic Acid (X-Factor) and/or creatine monohydrate

 

[SoupNaziNazi]

Not listed, however COP was acute for me.

I'm unfamiliar with this. What's the brand?

 

[ddfox]

COP = Creatinol-O-Phosphate

 

[Philosophy]

I'm unfamiliar with this. What's the brand?

Primaforce, SNS and Prototype are a few brands. It is also available from certain bulk powder providers.

 

[Olestra]

Relevant RE: Alpha-GPC: Acute supplementation with alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine augments growth hormone response to, and peak force production during, resistance exercise

Provided a 14% increase in bench press force compared to placebo, 45 mins post-dosage. I'd say that's pretty solid for an acute strength increase.

 

[SoupNaziNazi]

Relevant RE: Alpha-GPC: Acute supplementation with alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine augments growth hormone response to, and peak force production during, resistance exercise Provided a 14% increase in bench press force compared to placebo, 45 mins post-dosage. I'd say that's pretty solid for an acute strength increase.

that's why I take it

 

[blacklac]

I'm looking to try Antaeus Labs Ultra-Stano as part of my next cycle. Supposedly it's really good for strength.

Is Stano just Epiandrosterone?

 

[T-Bone]

Is Stano just Epiandrosterone?

Here is a thread about it,

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/antaeus-labs/257473-modular-series-ultra.html

 

[Gmead80]

Amp citrate does it for me with caffiene. Been using amentomax with not much results, tried 2 caps pre workout for 3 weeks and upped it to 3 caps pre for the last 2 weeks, not really seeing or feeling much from it but that's just me. Seems like amento has been getting great reviews, just didn't do it for me. Amp has me zoned in, used it about 8 times and yet to have a bad workout on it. Just gotta watch tolerance

 

[TheMovement]

Caff and Amento for sure!

 

[aaronuconn]

A lot of solid anecdotal feedback is pointing to Amento for acute strength gains. I've enjoyed ArA as well for supplements that assist with this goal.

On your list, nitrates seem to be great for endurance more so than strength.

 

[Spaniard]

COP, Amentoflavone and Caffeine. if you're looking for rep increases add in Citrulline Malate over L Citrulline

 

[mr.cooper69]

COP, Amentoflavone and Caffeine. if you're looking for rep increases add in Citrulline Malate over L Citrulline

They have the same effects (the malate doesn't add anything). A rough approximation for 1:1 cit mal is that 1g citrulline = 2g cit mal

 

[SoupNaziNazi]

They have the same effects (the malate doesn't add anything). A rough approximation for 1:1 cit mal is that 1g citrulline = 2g cit mal

how much of the regular cit is recommended for performance enhancement? Like before the point of diminishing returns

 

[heavylifter33]

Surprised no one has mentioned betaine. I know there's minimal evidence on increased power output, but anecdotally i notice a bit of a strength increase. Otherwise i like amento and caffeine.

 

[aaronuconn]

how much of the regular cit is recommended for performance enhancement? Like before the point of diminishing returns

3-4g.

 

[ELROCK]

how much of the regular cit is recommended for performance enhancement? Like before the point of diminishing returns

6 grams

 

[aaronuconn]

6 grams

I think he meant no Malate.

 

[mw1]

Surprised no one has mentioned betaine. I know there's minimal evidence on increased power output, but anecdotally i notice a bit of a strength increase. Otherwise i like amento and caffeine.

Agreed and probably one of the cheapest products

 

[ELROCK]

I think he meant no Malate.

Yeah, i guess so my bad. 3-4g of L- citrulline or 6-8g of CM.

 

[De__eB]

Alpha-GPC and betaine for me.

 

[Jiigzz]

Alpha-GPC and betaine for me.

These two are mine as well. And Ara

 

[NewAgeMayan]

I wish I got immediate strength increases from betaine :/

 

[aaronuconn]

I wish I got immediate strength increases from betaine :/

I never saw anything acute, but has lots of good data with prolonged usage.

 

[NewAgeMayan]

I never saw anything acute, but has lots of good data with prolonged usage.

Indeed; I made my purchase based on that. As with creatine, I took it over time 'hoping' it was having some positive effect on my training, but I honestly cant say I noticed an improvement in my progression due to it.

Of course, its possible both may have staved off a stall or plateau, but again if either has a benefit for me its one Im going to have to assume is occuring (it is certainly not apparent nor obvious).

 

[kisaj]

Alpha-GPC and betaine for me.

I've been taking Alpha GPC for the last 10 years or so, but only for the cognitive benefits that I love. I was actually thinking about trying to take it for performance enhancement pwo and then before bed.

Betaine I just don't know if it did much. I think I was looking for something and didn't give it enough time.

 

[De__eB]

I've been taking Alpha GPC for the last 10 years or so, but only for the cognitive benefits that I love. I was actually thinking about trying to take it for performance enhancement pwo and then before bed.

Betaine I just don't know if it did much. I think I was looking for something and didn't give it enough time.

Out of curiosity, do you take any sort of cholinergic in greater quantity than alpha-GPC?

They do have some overlap.

 

[SoupNaziNazi]

I've been taking Alpha GPC for the last 10 years or so, but only for the cognitive benefits that I love. I was actually thinking about trying to take it for performance enhancement pwo and then before bed. Betaine I just don't know if it did much. I think I was looking for something and didn't give it enough time.

I like to take 4g betaine preworkout and I do like the effects. Maybe everyone saying they aren't seeing acute ones aren't taking a lot? How much do you all take pre?

 

[NewAgeMayan]

Id been using the MTech betaine nitrate product, or CL's WPump...cant remember offhand what those amounted to but Im pretty sure I researched it at the time and they fell within the dosing range used in 'the' study (and what others recommended).

 

[Synapsin]

4 g of betaine would send me to the bathroom.

 

[szZXsquid]

Took some iforce potassium nitrates with one caffeine tablet equivalent to. 200 mg of caffeine and 2 caps of amentomax and had one of the most solid leg days in months haha good combo too , betaine works well too

 

[SoupNaziNazi]

Took some iforce potassium nitrates with one caffeine tablet equivalent to. 200 mg of caffeine and 2 caps of amentomax and had one of the most solid leg days in months haha good combo too , betaine works well too

this is close to what I take. Except add another amento and 600mg alpha GPC

 

[pyrobatt]

Interested in people's opinions. So here is the list to choose from;

Potassium nitrate(or any nitrates)
Caffeine
Ephedrine
PA(specifically lecithin granules)
Alpha-GPC
Amento
AMP citrate(if u can still get it)

Curious what people think is the best single ingredient. Feel free to add one to the list if I didn't say it but keep in mind we are talking acute strength gains.

If you're talking off the list I would say steroids but sense I have to be nice ...

Caffeine will always be king .

 

[aaronuconn]

4 g of betaine would send me to the bathroom.

Above 3g has made me nauseous. Not pleasant at all.

 

[blacklac]

What's the cause of the stomach distress with Betaine? I wasn't aware it was such a common issue.



I took like 6.5g pre once and didn't bat an eye. . Didn't mean to, just happen to mix 3 products that had solid doses of it.