High Blood Pressure

[rascal14]

I have been on EC stack for a week now and have been getting headaches every once in a while. I have had one all day and just took my third dose out of habit even though I meant to skip it. Friday I checked it 3 different times at Walmart, I don't think it was very accurate as I got readings all ranging between pre hypertension all the way up to Stage II Hypertension, but it also says the cuff is for 12-15 inch arms and mine are bigger than that. What are some ways I can quickly lower it whenever I get these headaches? The headaches are the only sign of high blood pressure as far as I know.

 

[heavylifter33]

Headaches are also an effect of dehydration. What is your water intake like?

 

[rascal14]

At least a gallon of water a day, usually more. I thought about maybe dehydration could be the problem because caffeine is a diuretic but my pee has been perfectly clear all day.

 

[RegisterJr]

Walgreens BP stations, or any of them, are worthless. They need to be calibrated almost daily but aren't.

Unless you're talking about a BP check from a pharmacy clerk, because they will upon request.

Man, so many things can contribute to high BP or headaches. Dehydration and allergies are tips for me

 

[rascal14]

I didn't know you could request one from the pharmacy. I was talking about the stations they have, I figured they were pretty inaccurate though. Headache has kinda gone away, both sides of my family have blood pressure problems I just recently found out about.

 

[BBB]

Cialis will lower your BP.

 

[throneof]

Arimistane always lowers mine

 

[braskibra]

Beet root juice like duh

 

[TyMan14]

A solid daily product would be hawthorne berry. I had high BP at the docs office about a year ago and started dosing hawthorne berry from NOW foods at 3 caps a day and went back and BP was lowered to normal ranges. Could have been a coincidence it was lower that day, but BP headaches are gone from stims that used to do it to me. Water intake has been a consistent 1.5 gallons a day as I use the same water bottle and fill it the same number of times per day. Hawthorne berry would be my recommendation. But watch out because it initially spikes bp. I wouldnt use stims the first week or two of dosing but after that you should be good.

 

[nbshazeezee]

Arimistane always lowers mine

really??? I feel like if I take more than 50mg mine goes up. Interesting

 

[throneof]

really??? I feel like if I take more than 50mg mine goes up. Interesting

There's nothing interesting about it. Arimistane decreases water retention. Water retention is one of many things that can elevate BP. Something else is raising yours.

 

[kisaj]

Hawthorne Berry
beet root
agmatine

all will knock that down quite nicely. I happen to take all of them and dropped a low 140s/80s to 128-130/70 average and have stayed there. This is while on TRT, so I imagine it would lower someone not on exogenous test even more.

 

[AntM1564]

Celery Seed Extract is what I would use, personal preference.

 

[rascal14]

What about Glycergrow, could it help? I already have some is why I ask and it's a pump product like Agmatine. Does anyone of this stuff work quicker than a couple weeks? I don't really want to have to order anything so Cialis and Arimistane are out of the picture for now.

 

[slayer01994]

Growth Factor Extreme by Menace Nutrition could be a supp you could look at. It has agmatine and Arimistane in it.

 

[thebigt]

Walgreens BP stations, or any of them, are worthless. They need to be calibrated almost daily but aren't.

Unless you're talking about a BP check from a pharmacy clerk, because they will upon request.

Man, so many things can contribute to high BP or headaches. Dehydration and allergies are tips for me

i agree with this 100%...those stations that you find in drugstores and supermarkets are pure bunk, no one should take them seriously!!! also if arms are larger than 15' demand that nurse checking your bp uses oversized cuff!!! i had a nurse try to use a reg cuff on my arm and it was tight before she even inflated it, doc came in and saw this and let her have it-right in front of me, lol.

 

[heavylifter33]

At least a gallon of water a day, usually more. I thought about maybe dehydration could be the problem because caffeine is a diuretic but my pee has been perfectly clear all day.

Caffeine isn't much of a diuretic unless bolus dose and not ingesting caffeine regularly. If you use it consistently it won't be an issue.

I'd look in to hawthorne berry and Agmatine. If you're really nervous about it see a doctor. They will tell you to drop EC obviously, but you could at least get an accurate reading of your BP and possibly any other issues.

 

[rascal14]

Thanks for the help. I'm not too worried about it anymore. Headaches aren't really bad and I don't feel a lot of pressure around my nose. I've never had a nose bleed, even getting hit in the nose with 70 MPH baseballs and back when I used to skateboard falling down a six stair and smashing my nose on the ground, so I don't know if anything will ever give me a nose bleed. I'll get some Agmatine and Hawthorne Berry just to be safe. I may look into getting my own cuff for home.

 

[thebigt]

Thanks for the help. I'm not too worried about it anymore. Headaches aren't really bad and I don't feel a lot of pressure around my nose. I've never had a nose bleed, even getting hit in the nose with 70 MPH baseballs and back when I used to skateboard falling down a six stair and smashing my nose on the ground, so I don't know if anything will ever give me a nose bleed. I'll get some Agmatine and Hawthorne Berry just to be safe. I may look into getting my own cuff for home.

add some celery seed extract to that!!!

 

[L.A.]

Genetics. If both sides have high bp issues its obviously hereditary. Get a script from your doctor and be on your way.

 

[throneof]

Genetics. If both sides have high bp issues its obviously hereditary. Get a script from your doctor and be on your way.

You have a defeatist mentality on this one, my friend. Celery seed extract, Hawthorne herb extract, CQ 10, moderate amount of cardio, and clean eating are the answers. Trust me on this one

 

[SwolenONE]

Consider dropping the stack.

Drink more water.

Make sure to get plenty of potassium and magnesium.

 

[blacklac]

I never really see anyone mention nitrates to lower BP. I assumed nitrates were extremely effective (for an OTC supplement), am I wrong?

 

[braskibra]

I never really see anyone mention nitrates to lower BP. I assumed nitrates were extremely effective (for an OTC supplement), am I wrong?

Yes u r

 

[kisaj]

Yes u r

In what sense- that it's extremely effective or somewhat effective?

 

[braskibra]

enough to reach statistical significance in research ive seen anywhere from 2- 10 mmhg improvements in the data

probably THE most proven OTC supplement out there

 

[L.A.]

You have a defeatist mentality on this one, my friend. Celery seed extract, Hawthorne herb extract, CQ 10, moderate amount of cardio, and clean eating are the answers. Trust me on this one

Lol trust ME, ive had high bp my whole life, my dad has it, and my grandfather had his whole life, genetics. I eat GREAT, and cardio is up there with the rest of em, and have tried different organic options and supps. COQ 10 does help somewhat over time though.

 

[thebigt]

Lol trust ME, ive had high bp my whole life, my dad has it, and my grandfather had his whole life, genetics. I eat GREAT, and cardio is up there with the rest of em, and have tried different organic options and supps. COQ 10 does help somewhat over time though.

i didn't realize high bp was hereditary, so i looked it up. good info.

reps on recharge

 

[L.A.]

i didn't realize high bp was hereditary, so i looked it up. good info.

reps on recharge

No prob, guess most people think high bp has to come from something youre doing yourself, which alot of the times is, but heritage has alot to do with it also. Alot of heart attack victims in my fam, gotta watch out!

 

[thebigt]

No prob, guess most people think high bp has to come from something youre doing yourself, which alot of the times is, but heritage has alot to do with it also. Alot of heart attack victims in my fam, gotta watch out!

cancer in mine, i knew it was hereditary...for sure, take those meds!!!

 

[throneof]

Lol trust ME, ive had high bp my whole life, my dad has it, and my grandfather had his whole life, genetics. I eat GREAT, and cardio is up there with the rest of em, and have tried different organic options and supps. COQ 10 does help somewhat over time though.

I know hypertension is largely a genetic predisposition. That is not a revelation. However, that does not mean you have to be enslaved by a pharmaceutical for the rest of your life. Just like obese folks that cry genetics, but then are seen pounding bowls of pasta and cheesecake.

 

[mr.cooper69]

I know hypertension is largely a genetic predisposition. That is not a revelation. However, that does not mean you have to be enslaved by a pharmaceutical for the rest of your life. Just like obese folks that cry genetics, but then are seen pounding bowls of pasta and cheesecake.

No one is "enslaved" by pharmaceuticals. How is taking HCTZ any different from taking 3 herbs for the rest of your life? Hypertension can also lead to cardiomyopathy which ace inhibitors can reverse, but these herbals will not. You will end up taking a pill daily, whether it be a medicine that is proven and highly effective, or a bunch of herbals that work for some and not for others,

But yes, on the OTC list, nitrates are king

 

[throneof]

No one is "enslaved" by pharmaceuticals. How is taking HCTZ any different from taking 3 herbs for the rest of your life? Hypertension can also lead to cardiomyopathy which ace inhibitors can reverse, but these herbals will not. You will end up taking a pill daily, whether it be a medicine that is proven and highly effective, or a bunch of herbals that work for some and not for others, But yes, on the OTC list, nitrates are king

I don't know about you, but I would rather be enslaved to an herb found in nature than a toxic pharmaceutical drug that will probably lead to a variety of other unsavory side effects

 

[mr.cooper69]

I don't know about you, but I would rather be enslaved to an herb found in nature than a toxic pharmaceutical drug that will probably lead to a variety of other unsavory side effects

That's because the media has brainwashed people into exactly what you're saying. A "toxic" pharmaceutical drug. How much do you really know about ACEi's? I'm guessing not a lot, just that they're toxic.

No hate btw, just saying a lot of people have been horribly misinformed due to media alarmism.

 

[throneof]

That's because the media has brainwashed people into exactly what you're saying. A "toxic" pharmaceutical drug. How much do you really know about ACEi's? I'm guessing not a lot, just that they're toxic. No hate btw, just saying a lot of people have been horribly misinformed due to media alarmism.

Actually, it's the exact opposite nowadays. You can't turn the TV on or open up a magazine without seeing an advertisement for drugs. This country is more medicated than it's ever been, largely due to the media promoting the pharmaceutical industry, not brainwashing against it. I don't know anything about ACEi's. What's your point with that question? It's got nothing to do with anything

 

[mr.cooper69]

Actually, it's the exact opposite nowadays. You can't turn the TV on or open up a magazine without seeing an advertisement for drugs. This country is more medicated than it's ever been, largely due to the media promoting the pharmaceutical industry, not brainwashing against it. I don't know anything about ACEi's. What's your point with that question? It's got nothing to do with anything

How does it have nothing to do with anything? ACE inhibitors are a first line drug for high BP. You just made a blanket statement that BP meds are toxic, which is really ignorant from a physician-in-training's perspective because they are some of the most benign drugs available (in fact, many, like ACE inhibitors, actually improve mortality and quality of life longterm).

I'm not picking sides btw. I get pissed when my fellow docs blanketly call supplements snake oil. And I get annoyed when supplement junkies blanketly call meds toxins. Both parties are wrong. To base one's beliefs off dogma and generalizations is just plain ignorant, regardless of the topic

 

[Quadzilla99]

Watched a program on the Amazon jungle the other day and the area is so dense with wildlife and so many species of animals that the only way any of the plants survive is by being super poisonous. The way animals deal with this is that somehow they know instinctively to eat clay which detoxes the poisons and cleans them out their system somehow. Monkeys, birfds, etc were all eating it like crazy.

Basically the point is the whole idea that drugs are dangerous and stuff from nature is healthy is potato. Go into the woods and eat random berries and leaves for a while and see how it works out for you. Basically have to judge any compound either natural or synthetic on its own merits.

 

[huxley309]

Jarrow pressure optimizer

 

[thebigt]

How does it have nothing to do with anything? ACE inhibitors are a first line drug for high BP. You just made a blanket statement that BP meds are toxic, which is really ignorant from a physician-in-training's perspective because they are some of the most benign drugs available (in fact, many, like ACE inhibitors, actually improve mortality and quality of life longterm).

I'm not picking sides btw. I get pissed when my fellow docs blanketly call supplements snake oil. And I get annoyed when supplement junkies blanketly call meds toxins. Both parties are wrong. To base one's beliefs off dogma and generalizations is just plain ignorant, regardless of the topic

too bad more docs aren't so open minded about herbals....there are many mild cases where i believe trying a herbal is justified, particularly when prescribed meds come with a number of possible serious side effects. unfortunately if a patient leaves a doctors office without at least 1 script, they feel as though they have wasted their time-many look at doctors as legal pill pushers and would avoid doctors to a large degree if they could write their own scripts.

 

[mr athlete]

have you had your red blood cell levels checked. a high count could be contributing. If your on cycle you could be overproducing.

 

[Whacked]

Coop: what is your opinion for non-medicinal yet efficacious options in order of potency?

Hawthorne
Celery Seed
Nitrates / Beet Root Juice
Cialis (b/c it can be procured easily via RC's where as Rx Ace-inhibitors or Ca+Channel Blockers, ARB's and Beta Blockers etc need a scrip)

 

[Synapsin]

Coop: what is your opinion for non-medicinal yet efficacious options in order of potency?

Hawthorne
Celery Seed
Nitrates / Beet Root Juice
Cialis (b/c it can be procured easily via RC's where as Rx Ace-inhibitors or Ca+Channel Blockers, ARB's and Beta Blockers etc need a scrip)

Not coop but from those, I would choose nitrates.

 

[mr.cooper69]

Coop: what is your opinion for non-medicinal yet efficacious options in order of potency?

Hawthorne
Celery Seed
Nitrates / Beet Root Juice
Cialis (b/c it can be procured easily via RC's where as Rx Ace-inhibitors or Ca+Channel Blockers, ARB's and Beta Blockers etc need a scrip)

Nitrates are medical too and the best on the list.
Then cialis.
Then probably celery seed, because Hawthorne really doesn't have much of any data (though I do believe it works)

 

[ucheoma]

When we say 'nitrates' what exactly are we talking?

 

[Whacked]

When we say 'nitrates' what exactly are we talking?

KNO3

 

[ucheoma]

KNO3

I meant what are the best nitrate sources. Beetroot juice?

 

[Whacked]

I meant what are the best nitrate sources. Beetroot juice?

Take the potassium nitrate supplement directly.

Several Supp companies selling it.

Some sell food grade powders really cheap in comparison but I bet they taste awful (??)

 

[uubiduu]

Dont forget to add hibiscus to the list.Studies habe shown that 10g of hibiscus per day consumed as tea worked as well as a standard dose of captopril