new to ARA mn X factor

[woodbear]

Hi
I`ve used ARA , X factor for about a a bit over one week now. 4 caps (1000mg) pre workout EOD, I train eod, since for some reason it just works extremely well. Bloodwork has shown that i get top test/free test levels from that, compared to 5-7 days a week. Strength, and bodycomposition has improved tenfolds in a short time. probably overtrained for a decade.

Well, when can i expect to notice anything from ARA, so far I have had no extra strength gains, or improved pumps (they are genereally awsome noe matter what) should I continue the eod, or start taking it every day? That will make it one of the more expensive supplements I have ever used though
Only used 5 times so far, since I just use it preworkout.

Is eod a bit too little, or should I try 6 caps (1,5 g)

 

[Swolbraham]

you could try to go to 1.5g, thats where a lot of people like to dose. i find i don't start to experience the effects of ArA (on my third run now) until the end of the second beginning of the third week.

i notice pumps right away, but debilitating DOMS comes later

 

[kbayne]

Being only a week into your ArA run, you need to give it more time (another week or two) to fully "kick" in.

 

[ma70]

1.5g is a good sweetspot, but I think you need at least 1-2 weeks before you start noticing more effects. That's when it kicked in for me when I tried it. I also stacked it with ALCAR/GMS

 

[haiz69]

I would give it another week at least. Also, if you are just dosing EOD, I would go for at least 1.5 grams. The most recent study used that dosage every day.

 

[Jiigzz]

One thing id say is that the transient increases in test from training will not correlate into more gains. The increase in T has to be rather substantial (most often supraphysiological) before Test has a pronounced effect on muscle mass.

But if the EOD training works best for you, then do what works. More often though is that people simply suck at programming for themselves and so they simply cannot program for 5-7 days worth of training (typical bro splits don't work very well).

As for the Ara, give it more time. Although 1.5g may be more worthwhile for you.

 

[MultiVitamin]

You should be fine with EOD, some dose it only 3 times a week. At 1g I think you'll be alright, as mentioned ArA seems to kick in for most during the latter half of the second week/start of the third week.

As for upping the dose, most love ArA @ 1.5g so that's your call. I'll typically run the early parts of my ArA runs at 1g then up to 1.5-2g nearing the second half

 

[woodbear]

Kicked in today, leg day, increased alot in all exercises!

I've been the master of tactical splitting 5-7 days of week for years... And 4-6 day splits.
I changed to push/pull/legs due to not really recovering in bis and tris if i only get a few days inbetween example, biceps and back..
After changing, all pains my arms just vanished, and i in 3 weeks added half an inch to my arms.. Boom.

I do use the gymbuddy app for iphone, and log everything, so the gains today in strength was bigger than i planned

Lets see how chest/shoulders/tris work out on friday

 

[SwolenONE]

Some users feel results nearly immediately, while the majority take around two weeks to begin feeling the bulk of the benefits.

Like seemingly all genuine muscle builders, the results are cumulative rather than immediate.

 

[woodbear]

Ara is hands down the best supplement I have ever used...strengthwise....
my strength is off the hinges... I added over 10 lbs to my dips the other day... ( 3 sets of 6 reps with 100 lbs on the dipping belt... not only did I increase the weight, I did 6 reps instead of 5.. nice 10 rep pulldowns with almost 250lbs.. the goal of using the enitre stack is within the horizon
I added 5lbs to dumbell curls..and did more reps...

The soreness I get however is pretty damn painful... . I have to rotate in light days a bit more often on this..

I had to take 3 caps daily, spread out, since 6 caps before training ended up with insane diarreah after the workout(started feeling it during training, which is not good) tried a few times, but gave up.
... I can take 1-2 caps with food , no problem, but six caps was a toilet disaster... I prefer to train 2 hours after eating, so my prework out works the best, taking this without food 30-45 minutes before training did definitly not work well..

 

[SwolenONE]

Ara is hands down the best supplement I have ever used...strengthwise....
my strength is off the hinges... I added over 10 lbs to my dips the other day... ( 3 sets of 6 reps with 100 lbs on the dipping belt... not only did I increase the weight, I did 6 reps instead of 5.. nice 10 rep pulldowns with almost 250lbs.. the goal of using the enitre stack is within the horizon
I added 5lbs to dumbell curls..and did more reps...

The soreness I get however is pretty damn painful... . I have to rotate in light days a bit more often on this..

I had to take 3 caps daily, spread out, since 6 caps before training ended up with insane diarreah after the workout(started feeling it during training, which is not good) tried a few times, but gave up.
... I can take 1-2 caps with food , no problem, but six caps was a toilet disaster... I prefer to train 2 hours after eating, so my prework out works the best, taking this without food 30-45 minutes before training did definitly not work well..

Excellent and detailed feedback, all around!

Glad to hear your strength gains are through the roof.

 

[RecompMan]

I love it

I actually need to grab more soon my incline presses went up which is nice

Dead stop barbell rows went up as well

Sane for push presses

 

[SwolenONE]

I love it

I actually need to grab more soon my incline presses went up which is nice

Dead stop barbell rows went up as well

Sane for push presses

Glad to hear youve almost gone through that big order you placed a while back!

You're on my level of going through bottles haha.

 

[RecompMan]

Glad to hear youve almost gone through that big order you placed a while back! You're on my level of going through bottles haha.

christmas is coming up so first things first

Pay bills, then pay for gainzzzz

 

[SwolenONE]

christmas is coming up so first things first

Pay bills, then pay for gainzzzz

Gotta have priorities!

 

[RecompMan]

Gotta have priorities!

You're right

Gains first

Bills second

 

[SwolenONE]

You're right

Gains first

Bills second

Hahaha, glad I could help you think clearly

 

[andrew732]

def take it on an empty stomach with plenty of water

 

[aaronuconn]

Being only a week into your ArA run, you need to give it more time (another week or two) to fully "kick" in.

This. ArA doesn't work in an acute manner.

 

[woodbear]

I have noticed gradually bleeding when brushing my teeth and sore gums. I`m guessing this is ARA`s doing?
It started a bout a week into using ara, and is getting a bit worse. I`ll probably tough it out the last week or so I got left in my first box, then take a break to see if it goes away. Naturally, i finally find a great supplement, and it givs me a damn side effect like this...

 

[Feiwong]

Same problem. Two days away from Ara and feels my gums way better.

 

[SwolenONE]

^^^

Interesting feedback, I'd never noticed that or heard of that happening prior to now...

 

[MultiVitamin]

Same problem. Two days away from Ara and feels my gums way better.

I've noticed this as well actually.. I typically notice it in or around week 2, but it has also always quickly subsided for me

 

[kbayne]

Never noticed the gum issue personally.

 

[namorbrowneye]

Good to know I'm not the only one with bleeding gums. Definite side effect..

 

[DirtyWilly]

Would ArA do anything for someone who eats red meat daily?

Would even Creatine do anything for someone who eats red meat daily for that matter?

 

[kbayne]

Would ArA do anything for someone who eats red meat daily? Would even Creatine do anything for someone who eats red meat daily for that matter?

Yes and yes as I doubt you're eating enough red meat to get adequate doses of each.

 

[SwolenONE]

I've noticed this as well actually.. I typically notice it in or around week 2, but it has also always quickly subsided for me

Glad to hear it cleared up right away.

Yes and yes as I doubt you're eating enough red meat to get adequate doses of each.

This.

 

[SwolenONE]

I've noticed this as well actually.. I typically notice it in or around week 2, but it has also always quickly subsided for me

Glad to hear it cleared up right away.

Yes and yes as I doubt you're eating enough red meat to get adequate doses of each.

This.

 

[woodbear]

holy cow! I did dips again yesterday, increased from 100lbs on the belt, to roughly 110! (50kg) for 8 reps! and did 1 more set of 8, then 5...
Man I feel smashed today. Never ever done that before... always kinda hit the limit on 100lbs...

I also took 4 caps before training yesterday, with som probiotic milk... no diarreah.. taking it eod, on just training days the last few days seems to help with the gum problem... I`m toughing that one out, using som anti bacterial mouthwash twice a day, and brushing my teeth 4 times a day. it kinda helps, but the bad breath from is kinda a bummer.. but the strenght gains are so great, it beats every oral ph I have ever used in that department... so I`m not quitting due to that problem..

 

[SwolenONE]

Great to hear woodbear! Congrats on the gains, X-Factor will keep em coming.

 

[woodbear]

Completed one month on ara. Added 20% to many lifts.. Little size though, i blame lack of quality food, sleep, too much alcohol and sex on that ;-)

Nothing has ever boosted strenght to that level. Considering i use strict logbook work.. Strength wise, amazing.
Sides though .. Bleeding gums when brushing teeth and some other minor stuff. Will use again when every side had cleared up and gotten a break

Best use was in the end 4caps before training, it limited the side effects ,the diarreah issue only rose with 6..

 

[bobbybondmo]

MN ARA for me comes on on the first week. All of a sudden you feel your on something...

 

[woodbear]

Noticing now a week off, damn the weighrs feel heavy.. Going back on as soon as sides are clear

 

[bobbybondmo]

Noticing now a week off, damn the weighrs feel heavy.. Going back on as soon as sides are clear

I never have noticed any sides from ARA.

 

[aaronuconn]

I never have noticed any sides from ARA.

Same, I've never noticed those type of sides with ArA. Maybe a slight increase in DOMS at first, but that subsides fairly quickly.

 

[uubiduu]

Completed one month on ara. Added 20% to many lifts.. Little size though, i blame lack of quality food, sleep, too much alcohol and sex on that ;-)

Nothing has ever boosted strenght to that level. Considering i use strict logbook work.. Strength wise, amazing.
Sides though .. Bleeding gums when brushing teeth and some other minor stuff. Will use again when every side had cleared up and gotten a break

Best use was in the end 4caps before training, it limited the side effects ,the diarreah issue only rose with 6..

Noob gains?20% of strength increase for me translates into flat bench 8 reps from 100kg to 120kg.Even with aas not easy.

 

[SwolenONE]

Amazing feedback Bobby and woodbear, glad to see we've created a couple more ArA addicts with X-Factor!

 

[RecompMan]

So excited to restart mine and kick up my strength more

I'll be running it about 6-8 months straight

 

[woodbear]

Noticed off i am a tad weaker.
Nope no noob gains here, been lifting for 20 yrs, never gotten past 50kg added to dips for 7,7,6 reps( 3 sets) .., ever. Done 1-2 reps at 45 kg before.
Neither 120kg pulldowns .. Or 24 kg in dumbell preacher curls..
Now off, i managed one set of 50kg for only 5 reps.. The next was 2 reps..So time to train a bit lighter the next weeks and start up with ara again

 

[xhrr]

Noob gains?20% of strength increase for me translates into flat bench 8 reps from 100kg to 120kg.Even with aas not easy.

lol. This.