PA vs ARA

[ddemark]

Which would you guys prefer? I've used x gels, only one bottle and I'm kicking myself cause the last few workouts is when I really started feeling its benefits. Which would you guys prefer for an 8 week run?

 

[Danes]

Which would you guys prefer? I've used x gels, only one bottle and I'm kicking myself cause the last few workouts is when I really started feeling its benefits. Which would you guys prefer for an 8 week run?

I have not tried ArA and i know many people who really love it. It works and understanding how it works it is one of the best natural products you can find.

I have been using PA since April and i can deff say PA is AMAZING!

The good thing is, you can buy Soy Lecithin Granules such as Fearn , Optima etc. 2 tablespoons gives u 1.2g PA and other phospholipids which are beneficial.

For me 750mg was ok. (The dose used in studies) but increasing the dosage worked much better!
Now i am at 3g of PA and it works amazing.

-more strength
-more size
-musclefullness
-weightgain without eating more
-pumps
Increased appetite


Dr wilson (one of guys who ran the study on PA ) said taking more would be more beneficial and its not toxic or does not have any sides. No reason to buy PA product. Just go for the soy lecithin granules. Its cheao, getting much more PA daily and has other phospholipids which are good.

Run ArA or PA first, then run the other, then you can stack it together .
That way you will know what worked best for you.

But i bet PA and ArA is a damn good combo and they both works different

 

[kbayne]

Which would you guys prefer? I've used x gels, only one bottle and I'm kicking myself cause the last few workouts is when I really started feeling its benefits. Which would you guys prefer for an 8 week run?

You definitely missed out on the best part of the ArA run. As you said, after the first bottle or around week 3 is when it really starts kicking in full effect.

I know many are getting good results with PA but personally I would go with ArA.

And FYI, I'm currently running ArA + Lecithin Granules (PA) .

 

[Danes]

I mean those who have tried PA with 750mg should try higher dosage like 2g or more to really see what PA is doing for them.

I believe this stack would be one of the best natty stacks:

ArA+PA+ABE

 

[ddemark]

Thanks for the feedback, any product you'd recommend for the soy lecithin granules?

 

[BCseacow83]

I have not tried PA but will be soon. I personally cannot take ARA as I have inflammatory related issues and every time I have tried ARA(we are at 4-5 attempts at this point) I am left regretting it. Just not for me unfortunately. I will be looking into King and some added lecithin. I have used Niagen by itself at 250mg a day and the improvement in well-being and energy was excellent. I have contacted BPI and they said the Niagen is around 200mg for two caps. That alone makes the price of King worth it considering how much Niagen costs by itself(45-50 for 60 125mg caps.) The PA being there is simply a bonus.

 

[Danes]

Thanks for the feedback, any product you'd recommend for the soy lecithin granules?

Go for:
Fearn Soy lecithin
Optima Soy Lecithin

VERY cheap and effective
Taste is a mild nutty flavour. Really good

 

[ddemark]

Go for:
Fearn Soy lecithin
Optima Soy Lecithin

VERY cheap and effective
Taste is a mild nutty flavour. Really good

Awesome thanks, I'll give one of them a go! Where do you dose it, pre workout?

 

[Danes]

Awesome thanks, I'll give one of them a go! Where do you dose it, pre workout?

Prior workout 60min. Thats perfect

 

[mase1]

Jury still out, but after taking SL for a couple weeks muscle fullness ranks at the top with just about anything. Plus $10/month tough to beat

 

[aaronuconn]

Never tried PA, however I'm a big fan of X-Gels. That's my go to ArA product.

Depending on goals, X-Gels + Forskolin (or AnaBeta Elite if your budget allows) is a premier choice for body composition improvements.

 

[koi1214]

I mean those who have tried PA with 750mg should try higher dosage like 2g or more to really see what PA is doing for them.

I believe this stack would be one of the best natty stacks:

ArA+PA+ABE

Is there any thing you don't double or triple dose?:lmao:

 

[Danes]

Is there any thing you don't double or triple dose?:lmao:

Lol
Good question.. well..

I am not fan of stims (dont use stims) only a cup of coffe sometimes prior workout..

And i am ofcourse carefull . Some plants,herbs are better to take in low dossges

 

[kbayne]

I mean those who have tried PA with 750mg should try higher dosage like 2g or more to really see what PA is doing for them.

I believe this stack would be one of the best natty stacks:

ArA+PA+ABE

Agree with the ArA + PA + AnaBeta Elite stack.

Just short of 2 weeks on ArA + PA (lecithin granules) and I will be throwing in AnaBeta Elite around the end of week 3 or 4.

 

[Contaygious]

Stack em for sure

 

[MultiVitamin]

PA + ArA is next on my list to try...

Was thinking of a big stack... Growth Factor Extreme (ArA, Agmatine, I3C, Arimistane) + PA + Forskolin + -(-)Epi

hngggggg

 

[NewAgeMayan]

PA + ArA is next on my list to try...

Was thinking of a big stack... Growth Factor Extreme (ArA, Agmatine, I3C, Arimistane) + PA + Forskolin + -(-)Epi

hngggggg

no amentoflavone?

 

[SoupNaziNazi]

Go for: Fearn Soy lecithin Optima Soy Lecithin VERY cheap and effective Taste is a mild nutty flavour. Really good

would Now Foods Lecithin Granules Non-GMO - 1 Lb do the trick? From the description I've read they seem to be soy lecithin

 

[Danes]

would Now Foods Lecithin Granules Non-GMO - 1 Lb do the trick? From the description I've read they seem to be soy lecithin

Kissdadookie said its the same.
I mean i like when i can read on the label how much % of different Phospholipids.
thats why i prefer Fearn or Optima

 

[SoupNaziNazi]

Kissdadookie said its the same. I mean i like when i can read on the label how much % of different Phospholipids. thats why i prefer Fearn or Optima

how much % of phospholipids is recommended before the point of diminishing returns? And can u take this only on workout days pre workout and reap the strength benefits?

 

[mw1]

ARA has years of feedback and studies backing it up. There also should be some good sales on Xgels real soon

 

[kbayne]

ARA has years of feedback and studies backing it up. There also should be some good sales on Xgels real soon

As I just bought two bottles lol

 

[1kerry]

ARA has years of feedback and studies backing it up. There also should be some good sales on Xgels real soon

WHERE?!!?!?!?!?

 

[blacklac]

ARA has years of feedback and studies backing it up. There also should be some good sales on Xgels real soon

I'm ready for B1G1.

 

[braskibra]

Ara > PA in my exp but PA is so cheap when using soy-l as the source so really no point in discussing an either or situation

 

[Danes]

how much % of phospholipids is recommended before the point of diminishing returns? And can u take this only on workout days pre workout and reap the strength benefits?

I mean 2g and above is a perfect dose of PA.and yes, you can take it only on workout days and you will still get nice gains actually

 

[SoupNaziNazi]

I mean 2g and above is a perfect dose of PA.and yes, you can take it only on workout days and you will still get nice gains actually

solid thanks for the reply

 

[Danes]

solid thanks for the reply

No problem
Send me PM anytime if you have any question regarding PA

 

[haiz69]

As of right now I would pick ARA. Having used X-factor a number of times, I recommend it wholeheartedly.

PA certainly has some interesting preliminary research regarding its use, but if I had to go with one, it would be ARA.

 

[koi1214]

No problem
Send me PM anytime if you have any question regarding PA

Hey Danes,Do you workout early in the morning in a fasted state and does PA give you any stomach issues?Since it is so cheap I ordered 4 bottles of Fearn Lecithin Granules.I workout early in the morning and want to add it to my preworkout formula.
I am going to start with the 2 tablespoons to begin with.

 

[Danes]

Hey Danes,Do you workout early in the morning in a fasted state and does PA give you any stomach issues?Since it is so cheap I ordered 4 bottles of Fearn Lecithin Granules.I workout early in the morning and want to add it to my preworkout formula.
I am going to start with the 2 tablespoons to begin with.

Hey Buddy

You know my damn sensitive stomach but SL makes me hungry lol. No stomachissues at all just increased appetite. I do workout in the evening

 

[hiimnotcool]

so with the fearn lecithin granules you could take 4 tablespoons (30 grams) and get 2.4 grams of PA? very cheap..only like 14 dollars for a months supply.

i was wondering what to do after my ArA run and i think we have a winner. gonna stack it with forskolin-95 and PES high volume (amentomax ayyyy)

 

[MultiVitamin]

What're you guys mixing lecithin with?

 

[koi1214]

Hey Buddy

You know my damn sensitive stomach but SL makes me hungry lol. No stomachissues at all just increased appetite. I do workout in the evening

You know I am saving for fishing trip but PA is so cheap:lmao:.

What're you guys mixing lecithin with?

I remember reading some where PA taste sweet and can mixed with anything.

 

[Jiigzz]

I am starting a stack of Xgels and PA soon myself. I havr run 6 cycles of Ara at 1.5g or above and have gained an average of 4-5lb each time.

And that is a modest estimation. My diet amd training are very well structured as well though

 

[MultiVitamin]

I am starting a stack of Xgels and PA soon myself. I havr run 6 cycles of Ara at 1.5g or above and have gained an average of 4-5lb each time.

And that is a modest estimation. My diet amd training are very well structured as well though

Log it. What PA source?

 

[Danes]

What're you guys mixing lecithin with?

Mixing it?
It has nice mild nutty flavour which is damn good! just throw tablespoons in your mounth and chew or swallow

 

[Danes]

You know I am saving for fishing trip but PA is so cheap:lmao:.


I remember reading some where PA taste sweet and can mixed with anything.

Taste and consistence is actually like a mild nuts. Mild nutty flavour and like chewing cashew nuts i love it

 

[Young Gotti]

currently on ArA, might have to look for Soy lecithin this weekend at the hippie store and stack it...good information in here

 

[Danes]

so with the fearn lecithin granules you could take 4 tablespoons (30 grams) and get 2.4 grams of PA? very cheap..only like 14 dollars for a months supply.

i was wondering what to do after my ArA run and i think we have a winner. gonna stack it with forskolin-95 and PES high volume (amentomax ayyyy)

Yes and you get other phospholipids which are beneficial

I mean 750mg PA was ok.. nothing to brag of..
1.5g was good and i liked it
2 and 3g MUCH better
I have been talking with Dr Wilson (one of DR who ran PA study ) and i asked him about toxicy and is it better to dose it high as 3g compared to 750mg. I also asked him about soy lecithin compared to concentrated PA products and he wrote:

-To be honest based on our cell culture data I think it would work better (3g vs 750mg)

-Thats awesome. Yes thats the same as PA, its just lower concentration per gram, but who cares its cheaper and has other important phospholipids (soy lecithin vs contentrated PA. Remember Soy Lecithin PA was used in the study. And why they used concentrated phospholipids? To find out which one increased mTOR )

-Yes its fine, no negative sides from heavy tox studies (since soy lecithin has choline and other phospholipids i asked him is it ok to take high dosages of soy lecithin)


So the thing is,
Buy Fearn or Optima Soy lecithin.
4 Tablespoons =2.4g PA and thats good start dosage. No reason to run below that dosage. Its cheap and it WORKS!

-better pumps
-muscle fullness
-strength (not many supps that helped me on this but PA really did it)
-size (gaining weight without eating more due to glycogen retention)
-appetite increase

Almost all of guys who run high PA dosage love it and i bet you guys who havent tried it will like it

 

[Danes]

People should not misunderstand me
I am NOT bashing ArA and even i havent tried ArA it is still one of the best natty products (understanding how it works/increase protein synthesis, has data behind it etc). But i mean PA is amazing, it can be stacked with everything and DAMN cheap

like i said before, nice natty stack would be:

ArA+PA+ABE

even better:

ArA+PA+ABE+EP+(some stuff from analyzed supplements)
That would be good

 

[Mark Table]

Hi Danes,
how do u dose PA soy lecithin on non workout days??
just to have the complete supplementation guide, cause I'm very interested of trying P!!
thanks a lot!!

 

[amarula]

Kissdadookie said its the same.
I mean i like when i can read on the label how much % of different Phospholipids.
thats why i prefer Fearn or Optima

Now product description says it's about 23% phosphatidylcholine and 14% phosphatidylinositol

 

[Danes]

Hi Danes,
how do u dose PA soy lecithin on non workout days??
just to have the complete supplementation guide, cause I'm very interested of trying P!!
thanks a lot!!

On non workout days i take it in the middle of the day but you can take it when ever you want.
on workout days 30-60min prior workout

Some people are taking only on workout days but i mean its great to take it every day. Not only for mTOR activation but health benefits from other phospholipids

 

[Danes]

Now product description says it's about 23% phosphatidylcholine and 14% phosphatidylinositol

Yes PC and PI but it has PA too but its not listed. I mean I prefer FEARN and OPTIMA because all phospholipids and other ingredients are listed

 

[Mark Table]

thanks a lot Danes!!
i made a little research and i do believe its better to take it every day for the health side connected to the others phospholipids!!
do u take the 3 grams full dose of PA after lunch or u take a smaller dose?
thanks again!!

 

[Danes]

thanks a lot Danes!!
i made a little research and i do believe its better to take it every day for the health side connected to the others phospholipids!!
do u take the 3 grams full dose of PA after lunch or u take a smaller dose?
thanks again!!

No need to say thanks

I am taking one dose at once , on workout days and non workout days.

 

[paula]

Hey danes what about puritans pride? It states that 1680 mg per serving of phosphatidycholine, 95% soy phosphatides. Fearn and optima is not available in my country. So thats the only soy lecithin i can find.

 

[Mark Table]

thanks again Danes!!
i really appreciate your help and availability!!

 

[hiimnotcool]

my next stack...

PA+Follidrone+amentomax....heck yeah!

on ArA and amentomax right now and my weight has gone up 6 pounds in 4 weeks so far with no visual change in body fat...maybe even a little leaner....lifts have also increased. Excited to see what epi/PA can do. After that I'm getting on epistane to trim down for summer (lol kind of fat right now.... 6'0 225 at around 22%)