EC vs. New Geneartion Of Fat Burners

[tybolton]

Where do you guys think EC compares to these new generation of fat burners? Alphamine, Norcodrene and etc... are all effective, but where do they compare (in your opinion) to old-fashioned EC? Of course, diet trumps all, but there are some really effective and proven compounds and blends that are hitting the market.

I've tried EC, but didn't really like how it made me feel compared to supplements like Alphamine and Norcodrene. I like the appetite effects of EC, but I train with high volume for long sessions and couldn't deal with the heart rates. I'm currently cutting with caffeine + Forskolin 95 + RK 500 + SNS Agmatine + GCB and loving it. Stimul8 was far more effective at appetite suppressant than any EC stack or fat burner I ever used.

PreWorkoutFatBurnerHybrid (Green Tea Extract [standardized for 60% EGCG], N-Coumaroyldopamine)

EC was once the heavyweight, has it been DE-throned?

 

[NattyForLife]

Where do you guys think EC compares to these new generation of fat burners? Alphamine, Norcodrene and etc... are all effective, but where do they compare (in your opinion) to old-fashioned EC? Of course, diet trumps all, but there are some really effective and proven compounds and blends that are hitting the market. I've tried EC, but didn't really like how it made me feel compared to supplements like Alphamine and Norcodrene. I like the appetite effects of EC, but I train with high volume for long sessions and couldn't deal with the heart rates. I'm currently cutting with caffeine + Forskolin 95 + RK 500 + SNS Agmatine + GCB and loving it. Stimul8 was far more effective at appetite suppressant than any EC stack or fat burner I ever used. PreWorkoutFatBurnerHybrid (Green Tea Extract [standardized for 60% EGCG], N-Coumaroyldopamine) EC was once the heavyweight, has it been DE-throned?

New generation fat burners are superior! They work in so many more pathways to burn fat than just ECA, EC stack! Now there are gonna be people that are diehard ECA, but its your choice to pick!

Edit: the above is IMO.

 

[Driven2lift]

EC still has the best fat loss effects IMO.

But with something like Alphamine you are getting much mire diversity in effects, all valuable to a dieter. Muscle retention via HICA, energy from the stim blend, fatty acid mobilization and thermogenesis, appetite suppression.
And then the real winning factor in my books is the mood boost and mental effects from it.

New, intelligently designed burners make dieting easier

 

[tybolton]

Thanks guys, I totally believe in the new-gen stuff>EC stacks. I loved the EC feeling, but damn that HR was crazy when lifting heavy.

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[kbayne]

If you loved EC, you need to try Norcodrene!

 

[tybolton]

If you loved EC, you need to try Norcodrene!

Norcodrene... Been there, done dat, and absolutely loved it to the fullest. That is why I compared it and Alphamine to EC. Norcodrene, Alphamine and Stimul8 was awesome at appetite suppressant and overall mood enhancing. On EC, I was easily irritable and agitated.

 

[NattyForLife]

Norcodrene... Been there, done dat, and absolutely loved it to the fullest. That is why I compared it and Alphamine to EC. Norcodrene, Alphamine and Stimul8 was awesome at appetite suppressant and overall mood enhancing. On EC, I was easily irritable and agitated.

Just go with Norcodrene then! Its my favorite fatburner! PES needs to make a powdered norcodrene. It would be a big hit!

 

[NattyForLife]

They did, it's called Alphamine.

Not what i meant, but alphamine and amentomax would be a mean cutting stack!

 

[money0351]

I'm finishing up an 8week alpha T2/ alphamine/ amentomax/ bronkaid cut and it went very well. No noticeable strength loss and leaned out pretty great did I mention zero cardio and still 200-300g of carbs periworkout

 

[money0351]

I'm finishing up an 8week alpha T2/ alphamine/ amentomax/ bronkaid cut and it went very well. No noticeable strength loss and leaned out pretty great did I mention zero cardio and still 200-300g of carbs periworkout <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=108420"/>

After

 

[TrainPsycho]

This.

Taste + no appetite = go days without food

: )

 

[mase1]

No comparison for me, ec for results and $15/month.

 

[goodvibes]

No comparison for me, ec for results and $15/month.

I've tried quite a few fat burners before but eca is still magic. Easy to get and dirt cheap

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

several yrs ago there were some killer studies done by VPX ... imo proved even the last gen fat burners were stronger than just ECA

 

[tybolton]

Thanks for the replies guys. I'm leaning out pretty well on caffeine + Forskolin 95 + RK 500 + SNS Agmatine + GCB....I'm thinking of adding some Alphamine or Norcodrene to the mix with 100 mg of Forskolin 95.

 

[Grayson]

Eh, just go with albuterol + forskolin + yohimbine.

Alb agonizes the b2 receptor stronger than ehcl.
Fors increases camp thus making alb more effective.
Yhcl antagonizes the a2 receptor releasing fatty acids from stubborn areas.

 

[tybolton]

Eh, just go with albuterol + forskolin + yohimbine.

Alb agonizes the b2 receptor stronger than ehcl.
Fors increases camp thus making alb more effective.
Yhcl antagonizes the a2 receptor releasing fatty acids from stubborn areas.

I thought about running caffeine+forskolin+yohimbine. I'm not for sure, but I thought I read a thread a few days ago where Coop said that yohimbine has studies showing that it's almost or just as effective for fat loss as an EC stack. How much yohimbine do you run with caffeine and forskolin?

 

[kbayne]

I thought about running caffeine+forskolin+yohimbine. I'm not for sure, but I thought I read a thread a few days ago where Coop said that yohimbine has studies showing that it's almost or just as effective for fat loss as an EC stack. How much yohimbine do you run with caffeine and forskolin?

Yohimbine is very effective fat burner. .2mg/kg bodyweight is recommended dose.

Start low and work your way up in doses.

Norcodrene + Forskolin would be a stack to check into though especially if overall weight/fat loss is the goal.

 

[tybolton]

Yohimbine is very effective fat burner. .2mg/kg bodyweight is recommended dose.

Start low and work your way up in doses.

Norcodrene + Forskolin would be a stack to check into though especially if overall weight/fat loss is the goal.

I've ran that stack and it was great. Plenty of energy and I leaned up quite a bit. I was amazed at how my strength stayed up while cutting on Norcodrene + Forskolin...I'm a couple of weeks into a new Forskolin run, and might pick up a couple more bottles with some Norcodrene.

 

[bolt10]

I've ran that stack and it was great. Plenty of energy and I leaned up quite a bit. I was amazed at how my strength stayed up while cutting on Norcodrene + Forskolin...I'm a couple of weeks into a new Forskolin run, and might pick up a couple more bottles with some Norcodrene.

If you had good results with it the first time I would just run it again.

 

[tybolton]

If you had good results with it the first time I would just run it again.

I'm leaning more towards Alphamine + Forskolin. I have yet to try the new Alphamine. The old formula rocked. I ran two tubs last fall, and couldn't get enough. One of the best tasting supplements ever. Stacked it with Hemavol and it put me in beast mode every time. <Strong> appetite suppressant like the OG OEP.

 

[kbayne]

I'm leaning more towards Alphamine + Forskolin. I have yet to try the new Alphamine. The old formula rocked. I ran two tubs last fall, and couldn't get enough. One of the best tasting supplements ever. Stacked it with Hemavol and it put me in beast mode every time. <Strong> appetite suppressant like the OG OEP.

Alphamine + Forskolin is another very popular fat loss stack.

And yeah, the flavors aren't bad either

 

[tybolton]

Alphamine + Forskolin is another very popular fat loss stack.

And yeah, the flavors aren't bad either

The OG fruit punch was delicious with lemon drop Hemavol.

 

[kbayne]

The OG fruit punch was delicious with lemon drop Hemavol.

You'll have to try Alphamine + new High Volume once it drops. I know I will be!!!

 

[Bryancap77]

My vote for EC. Currently on EC, anabeta and f95 and it's going very well.

 

[tybolton]

You'll have to try Alphamine + new High Volume once it drops. I know I will be!!!

Yep, no doubt. I checked out the profile, and it looks sick. Was gonna snatch some Vaskular, but decided to wait on the new High Volume. I stacked the OG High Volume with Stimul8 and couldn't help but to beat myself up. Some really good products being introduced to the market...

 

[kbayne]

Yep, no doubt. I checked out the profile, and it looks sick. Was gonna snatch some Vaskular, but decided to wait on the new High Volume. I stacked the OG High Volume with Stimul8 and couldn't help but to beat myself up. Some really good products being introduced to the market...

The profile isn't released yet for High Volume .

 

[tybolton]

My vote for EC. Currently on EC, anabeta and f95 and it's going very well.

I ran EC a few times back in the day when I was younger, and could still lift heavy. The last time I tried it, my HR was a little high when lifting heavy and I had to take more time in between sets. I'm 44 now, maybe age has something to do with it. Aged ticker + EC? Loved the euphoric feeling it gave me though...

 

[kbayne]

My vote for EC. Currently on EC, anabeta and f95 and it's going very well.

Solid stack! Going for a recomp?

 

[Bryancap77]

Solid stack! Going for a recomp?

Not really, I just had anabeta lying around and figured I'd use it to attempt to maintain mass while cutting. By December 15th I should be at ~181 6% bf I'm psyched.

 

[tybolton]

The profile isn't released yet for High Volume .

Right, Right, I was reading in the High Volume thread and jumped on the speculator bandwagon.

" can tell you what was removed

Plantago Major L

Inositol Hexaphosphate

Micronized Glycerol Monostearate -- Replaced with Hydromax soluble glycerol"

"Guessing Leucine nitrate again,
Agmatine,
L-citrulline 5g,
Amentoflavone,
HydraMax

Maybe an electrolyte mix added "

"Isnt amentoflavone a bit stimulating?

I am guessing

Potassium nitrate
Agmatine
L-citrulline 8g
Gms/hydramax
Alpha-GPC
Huperzine-A
Lemon verbena extract

A pump and focus blend in one product."

Can't wait to try it out!!

 

[kbayne]

Not really, I just had anabeta lying around and figured I'd use it to attempt to maintain mass while cutting. By December 15th I should be at ~181 6% bf I'm psyched.

Nice! Good to have a goal to shoot for.

 

[tybolton]

The profile isn't released yet for High Volume .

"As for what it contains hmm im thinking.

Amentoflavone
Cistamax
Ara
Nitrates
Hydromax gms
Citrulline

That would a very sweet stack"

I'm thinking the profile would be similar to this. If so, in4 several tubs... You can just pm me with the panel, I won't tell anyone...:biggthumpup:

 

[Bryancap77]

Nice! Good to have a goal to shoot for.

Ya I never realized how light I'd be around that bf%. I liked being ~210 but at 193 now I feel so much bigger than I ever have

 

[kbayne]

Ya I never realized how light I'd be around that bf%. I liked being ~210 but at 193 now I feel so much bigger than I ever have

I know exactly what you mean.

 

[TeamTGB]

Since the topic is ec stack, has anyone heard of someone using ara with ec? or if it could be done?

 

[Bryancap77]

Since the topic is ec stack, has anyone heard of someone using ara with ec? or if it could be done?

In my opinion they're sort of used dfor different goals, but i don't see why you couldn't use them in tandem. Maybe coop or someone will chime in.

 

[heavylifter33]

Ephedrine still has the most published data to my knowledge. EC is the gold standard for a reason. Also, the ability to be taken indefinitely while reaping the benefits... Hard to beat.

I've used Norcodrene and been happy, as well as other designer stims from iForce. You can add things like GCB or yohimbe or TTA or other new novel ingredients.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

Eh, just go with albuterol + forskolin + yohimbine. Alb agonizes the b2 receptor stronger than ehcl. Fors increases camp thus making alb more effective. Yhcl antagonizes the a2 receptor releasing fatty acids from stubborn areas.

Top things off with amentoflavone to prevent breakdown of cAMP

 

[tybolton]

Ephedrine still has the most published data to my knowledge. EC is the gold standard for a reason. Also, the ability to be taken indefinitely while reaping the benefits... Hard to beat.

I've used Norcodrene and been happy, as well as other designer stims from iForce. You can add things like GCB or yohimbe or TTA or other new novel ingredients.

Rhadam, do you lift heavy with EC? How long after dosing do you lift? IN4 answers and would appreciate any other replies on these questions.

 

[Grayson]

Rhadam, do you lift heavy with EC? How long after dosing do you lift? IN4 answers and would appreciate any other replies on these questions.

I used to.

It gives a nice strength boost. Just watch the blood pressure and any signs of lightheadedness.

 

[tybolton]

I used to.

It gives a nice strength boost. Just watch the blood pressure and any signs of lightheadedness.

thanks...

 

[heavylifter33]

Rhadam, do you lift heavy with EC? How long after dosing do you lift? IN4 answers and would appreciate any other replies on these questions.

Yes I lift heavy, and I take a dose before lifting frequently. I've never had BP issues. However, you'll want to consult a physician before using ephedrine with training to be on the safe side.

I used to.

It gives a nice strength boost. Just watch the blood pressure and any signs of lightheadedness.

Studies with humans and ephedrine have not significantly produced positive results in strength increase. It is also my opinion that ephedrine, even when combined with caffeine, does not significantly increase strength. Realistically what you're experiencing is placebo.

 

[mr.cooper69]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11474345
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12783047

 

[chedapalooza]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11474345
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12783047

Love it. Wish I could find straight hcl

 

[tybolton]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11474345
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12783047

Nice read, thanks Coop

 

[heavylifter33]

It was late and I forgot to add "trained" to my post. Serious.

 

[mr.cooper69]

Not directed at anyone, hence the lack of quote. Just saiyan b2 agonists have a unique mechanism for enhancing force production

 

[haiz69]

I love Norcodrene and some of the newer generation fat-burners, but EC dominates to this day IMO.

 

[Synapsin]

Not directed at anyone, hence the lack of quote. Just saiyan b2 agonists have a unique mechanism for enhancing force production

^^^ I take 100 mg of caff and 24 mg of ephedrine pre workout.

As for the topic of this current thread, it is a tricky subject. Ephedrine and caffeine have numerous studies behind the combination of the two, while the alternatives do not. The alternatives (norcodrene in mind), do however, possess their own unique pathways targeting fat loss that you wouldn't be otherwise utilizing by using the EC stack. Ultimately its up to you, but you could always alternate the two when you want to cycle off of one or the other and see for yourself. I personally add Y whenever I'm using the EC stack and I don't bother of course when I'm using norcodrene.