what is a good sleep-aid?

  1. what is a good sleep-aid?


    I've tried melatonin, but I'm not sure I like that ****. Im looking for something that can put me to sleep, but that will aslo allow me to wake up ON TIME..lol, and refreshed not heavy-headed and groggy for hours.


    any suggestions?

    later

    h19


  2. Good question. I am thinkin gof something like that as well.... Talk to ya..

  3. L-Tryptophan

    I thought you couldn't buy that anymore or something.

    http://www.beautynhealth.com/tryptophan/
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  4. http://www.drugstore.com/products/pr...=28043&tab=0#0


    heres another one that is pretty damn cheap, so I might just try it for the hell of it.

    But if anyone KNOWS of something good, please post.

    thanks

    h19

  5. the worst night of sleep ive had was when i took a sleeping aid. i forgot what it was but i had trouble breathing and couldnt lie down all night....again, i cant remember the name of the product. im sure its up to the individual whether they need it or not

  6. try GABA or Gamma Amino Butyric Acid, its supposed to be great for sleep and GH levels.


    and also Maca Puriens Extract (standardized for l-dopa) it will put you to sleep like a baby. Also good for GH levels.
    Read This Book!!: Anabolic Steroids and the Athlete by William N. Taylor M.D.

  7. cool thanks...

    links to get some?

    h19

  8. Par Deus has some 4-methxy-GHB product that's supposed to help sleeping a lot. Also supposed to multiply the affect of alcohol by about 6, so if it helps you sleep you can drink less every night

    Anybody on BDC come up with a cheap version of that yet?

  9. Have you tried zinc yet? Helps me...

  10. Love the ZMA and Gaba ...ZMA has to be my favorite sleep aid on the market for the money, heck you can even make it yourself for a lot less if you want to. 1Fast has some Tranquili-G single doses for sale too...You could try a couple of those to see how they work for you...

  11. l-tryptophan is illegal to sell...buy the precurser..5HTP. It converts to tryptophan which converts to serotonin. Good stuff! Be sure not to take it with depression meds or kava or anything.

    Things naturally high in tryptophan:

    Bannanas
    Milk
    I forget the rest...

    restful sleeping!!!

  12. Originally posted by ChaseRoy
    Things naturally high in tryptophan:

    Bannanas
    Milk
    I forget the rest...

    restful sleeping!!!

    Turkey
    Read This Book!!: Anabolic Steroids and the Athlete by William N. Taylor M.D.

  13. Originally posted by khafra
    Par Deus has some 4-methxy-GHB product that's supposed to help sleeping a lot. Also supposed to multiply the affect of alcohol by about 6, so if it helps you sleep you can drink less every night

    Anybody on BDC come up with a cheap version of that yet?
    Yeah I am looking for the real deal but its hard to come by. The synthesis is pretty easy but a bit beyond me. I don't know if there is anyone here who has the skill to make GHB or a precursor like par's, can you think of anyone?

  14. Originally posted by BigBenn

    Yeah I am looking for the real deal but its hard to come by. The synthesis is pretty easy but a bit beyond me. I don't know if there is anyone here who has the skill to make GHB or a precursor like par's, can you think of anyone?
    The raw material is dirt cheap, if you can find your own source for it you might as well buy it. One kilo should last you a long time. Tranquili-G is actually a precursor to 4-Methyl-GHB (basically GHB with a carbon attached at the 4th position). Its not as strong as the real stuff, but still fun.

  15. Did someone say Tran-G?! Ow ow! Between it and nubian I dont know if it gets much better

  16. I have tried GABA never really felt the effects on sleep. OTC I have used Excedrine PM it seems to work. Just now trying ZMA will let you know if it does.

  17. Originally posted by ndn diablo


    The raw material is dirt cheap, if you can find your own source for it you might as well buy it. One kilo should last you a long time. Tranquili-G is actually a precursor to 4-Methyl-GHB (basically GHB with a carbon attached at the 4th position). Its not as strong as the real stuff, but still fun.
    I'm not sure if the raw materials are expensive. Anyone know any more information I might want to try this. If you are interested I will post the ingredients and procedure.

  18. Originally posted by BigBenn

    I'm not sure if the raw materials are expensive. Anyone know any more information I might want to try this. If you are interested I will post the ingredients and procedure.

    whats the raw material called?


    I'm interested....

    GoodNights by Lifeguard ...I can see it now! hehe


    LG.
    Read This Book!!: Anabolic Steroids and the Athlete by William N. Taylor M.D.

  19. Here is the synthesis equation.
    Gamma-Butyrolactone + NaOH => Sodium Gamma-Hydroxy Butyrate (Na-GHB)

    I could use some sodium hydroxide for the synovex converstion anyway (correct?) and thats readily available, but the Gamma-Butyrolactone is what I need to find.
  20. might sound weird but....


    benedryl puts me to sleep and man it wont f up your habbits at all it just makes you really groggy b 4 bed not when you wake up. The one that is for allergies is the one I take.

    Whale

  21. Originally posted by BigBenn
    Here is the synthesis equation.
    Gamma-Butyrolactone + NaOH => Sodium Gamma-Hydroxy Butyrate (Na-GHB)

    I could use some sodium hydroxide for the synovex converstion anyway (correct?) and thats readily available, but the Gamma-Butyrolactone is what I need to find.
    There really is no reason to spend time performing this reaction. Gamma-Butyrolactone (also known as GBL) once ingested converts into GHB. Taking GBL has been said to have better effects then taking GHB itself. GBL is legal, but not for consumption. It sells as paint thinner and can be quite expensive.

    Like I said what Par uses in Tranquili-G (4-Pentanolide) is a precurser to 4-Methyl-GHB. Its not as strong but still has a nice calming effect.
  22. Re: might sound weird but....


    Originally posted by whale
    benedryl puts me to sleep and man it wont f up your habbits at all it just makes you really groggy b 4 bed not when you wake up. The one that is for allergies is the one I take.

    Whale


    benedryl.....ahhh I forgot about that stuff....last time i took that stuff I almost fell asleep on the freeway!

    it WILL work...hands down.




    LG.
    Read This Book!!: Anabolic Steroids and the Athlete by William N. Taylor M.D.

  23. yeah but i dont want to start taking cold meds to go to sleep.....

    **** id just take some NyQuil then......lol..

    plus that gets expensive anyway..

    h19

  24. For any Canadians surfing the board wondering about GHB or GBL check out:
    [http://www.lactone-online.com/

  25. ZMA works good.  I like the melatonin but it is like waking in a fog.  Maybe if it was taken with a nighttime snack.

  26. Originally posted by deaconbill
    ZMA works good.  I like the melatonin but it is like waking in a fog.  Maybe if it was taken with a nighttime snack.
    ive never had better sleep with zma. from what i remember, the initial falling asleep took longer at first then back to regular habits. but of course, many have had success with zma's as a sleeping agent

  27. Originally posted by sage


    ive never had better sleep with zma. from what i remember, the initial falling asleep took longer at first then back to regular habits. but of course, many have had success with zma's as a sleeping agent
    I've had the most amazing sleep of my life on ZMA. Once I quit taking it with milk, isn't research great, this stuff worked amazing. I have no problem falling asleep, but my dreams are very intense. I can have like 6 distinct dreams and will remember each one once I wake up and feel plenty refreshed. One of my favorite supps.

  28. Hmm. I tried tranquili-G for the first time last night. I really didn't feel much. I didn't take it on an empty stomach though. It's hard to do that when you lift at night and don't get home until 9. Plus, it really didn't make me sleep all that good. Actully I was up a lot. Theres a chance I didn't take enough, but everything I've read about it says that elevated doses don't make it more effective. Plus, I spilled a **** ton of the stuff, that bottle is damn near impossible to pour out of. I'm gonna try more tonight, possibly a little larger serving and post back tomarow.

  29. drink it from the bottle...........i think imma try zma.

    i have intense dreams regardless, i can wake up and remember every dream i had, its pretty scary sometimes. I mean i literally think back to certain things and am not sure whether it was something i dreamt or if it really happened.

    time to go to the looney bin i guess

  30. I myself like Melatonin, I did experience the groggyness for about 1 week. I had to take some Xenadrine to feel normal, but the groggyness eventually went away for me. I use 3mg. melatonin in sublingual form
  

  
 

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