AndreiColeman
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a lot of my friends recomended me animal pak
AP is still getting by on hardcore labeling and the cult following animal has cause their stuff looks cool. It really isn't a very good product.It is a good enough product.
A great and far more cost effective alternative is Active Multi by FINAFLEX
http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/redefine-nutrition/active-multi-120-capsules.html
I think if you have a look at the supplement panel you will find this will more than cover your needs!
It's solid.a lot of my friends recomended me animal pak
OT is where it's at for me. I liked animal pack though. Personally I like NOW Adam but the joint complex in OT makes me not have to purchase additional supps.AP is still getting by on hardcore labeling and the cult following animal has cause their stuff looks cool. It really isn't a very good product. That active multi is even more garbage though. Anavite is pretty good or Orange Triad. I personally don't use a multi-vitamin.
I used NOW for years... love anavite currentlyOT is where it's at for me. I liked animal pack though. Personally I like NOW Adam but the joint complex in OT makes me not have to purchase additional supps.
http://www.islandsupplements.com/controlled-labs-orange-triad-270-tabs.html
Anavite makes such a huge difference for me. The ON feeling is there and I feel primed for the gym an hour after taking it.I used NOW for years... love anavite currently
AP and OT are my favs i enjoy the digestion/joint complex in OTOrange Triad and Anavite for sure.
I think at one point we all fell into the Animal Pack trap hahaha but there are much better alternatives out there
Maybe more garbage was a bit harsh. It's just that active multi has inferior forms of vitamins and minerals compared to OT/Anavite. Active multi also has all these little matrix's included that are basically ingredients sprinkled in there at doses so low they won't have any tangible benefit other than duping the average joe to go oh man I'm gonna be so healthy look at all this vitamin does. OT does this as well but overall is a little bit better dosed and the forms of vitamins and minerals are superior to that in active multi. I have no beef with Fina but they can do much better than this.always interesting, the thoughts some have on multi vitamins..
let's try something different:
for you guys that say animal pak is not a good product (and I do not disagree) -- why do you say this? do you really even know what makes it a poor choice?
in the same vein - for those who clamor about anavite - why? what makes this one so special?
for xhrr - why do you state active multi is even more garbage then animal pak?
and for all you peeps clamoring on about OT and the "joint complex" you all like -- really? did all of you who like this one for that special benefit you mention, also purchase glucosamine separately prior to using it, and what makes glucosamine so special for joint relief anyway?
enquiring minds want to know...
bottom line: you will always have diverse opinions about ANY multi in existence, from those that believe a multi is not needed, to those who believe you must have the most biologically active forms and over-the-top amounts of each and every vitamin and mineral in existence
OT is a decent product, especially at its pricepointOT for dosages and forms chelated especially. I don't include the joint support as a plus as it's largely under dosed IMO
Anavite due to BA in it. I like that I can kill two birds with one stone
inferior forms - like what?Maybe more garbage was a bit harsh. It's just that active multi has inferior forms of vitamins and minerals compared to OT/Anavite. Active multi also has all these little matrix's included that are basically ingredients sprinkled in there at doses so low they won't have any tangible benefit other than duping the average joe to go oh man I'm gonna be so healthy look at all this vitamin does. OT does this as well but overall is a little bit better dosed and the forms of vitamins and minerals are superior to that in active multi. I have no beef with Fina but they can do much better than this.
I don't take a multi so I really don't care but I know a little bit about this stuff so I gave my 2 cents.
Ya the joint complex isn't really a selling point IMO but to include efficacious doses of a joint complex and a well put together multi would be cost prohibitive.thanks for the feedback you two
OT is a decent product, especially at its pricepoint
kills me tho when ppl say "and it has joint support!"
beta alanine in anavite is what tickles your fancy tho? wow you're easy man
I think the vitamins themselves are underdosed in many instances (250iu vitamin D? vit A is also lower than most, vit e also, and not as much vit c as I would like personally, among other things...)
inferior forms - like what?
I want specifics! yes I do know our product has some limitations, but "inferior" forms is an interesting concept, as many of these "forms" have been used and considered just fine for decades..off the top tho I will give you the nod on methylcobalamin > cyanocobalamin
there are things I would do differently with active multi if it were up to me, but the company wanted a mid-level multi with many facets (ie extras), and still wanted to keep it in a certain segment pricewise... I think they accomplished their goal
many ppl do not realize, speaking of solely multivitamin/mineral (nothing else), to make a product with fully "superior" biological forms and fully meet every single need at the dosages required to satisfy many, you're talking about a multi that would cost in the range of $60-80 on a monthly basis
and there is the reality right there:The limitations for Anavite don't really affect me. I supplement with vitamin D anyways, so nbd there. I don't like high amounts of e or c, so the BA in it with the others are preferable for my specific needs.
Multi formulation is a conundrum in itself let alone being able to cater to everyone.and there is the reality right there:
there are very VERY few genuinely effective "cookie-cutter one-size-fits-all" products in existence..when talking multivitamins, this becomes magnified exponentially
one mans "garbage" may be another mans "gold" and suit his needs perfectly fine
I've used anavite powder and it does contain 3.2g of BA, 2g of lclt, (both of which I would consider full doses) p5p, chelated minerals and not terribly expensive... And the vitamin D is 2000 IU per daily dosethanks for the feedback you two OT is a decent product, especially at its pricepoint kills me tho when ppl say "and it has joint support!" beta alanine in anavite is what tickles your fancy tho (and not even a full dose at that)? wow you're easy man I think the vitamins themselves are underdosed in many instances (250iu vitamin D? vit A is also lower than most, vit e also, and not as much vit c as I would like personally, among other things...) inferior forms - like what? I want specifics! yes I do know our product has some limitations, but "inferior" forms is an interesting concept, as many of these "forms" have been used and considered just fine for decades..off the top tho I will give you the nod on methylcobalamin > cyanocobalamin there are things I would do differently with active multi if it were up to me, but the company wanted a mid-level multi with many facets (ie extras), and still wanted to keep it in a certain segment pricewise... I think they accomplished their goal many ppl do not realize, speaking of solely multivitamin/mineral (nothing else), to make a product with fully "superior" biological forms and fully meet every single need at the dosages required to satisfy many, you're talking about a multi that would cost in the range of $60-80 on a monthly basis
Have you tried using anavite for a month? For those who haven't I say try and take it religiously.always interesting, the thoughts some have on multi vitamins..
let's try something different:
for you guys that say animal pak is not a good product (and I do not disagree) -- why do you say this? do you really even know what makes it a poor choice?
in the same vein - for those who clamor about anavite - why? what makes this one so special?
for xhrr - why do you state active multi is even more garbage then animal pak?
and for all you peeps clamoring on about OT and the "joint complex" you all like -- really? did all of you who like this one for that special benefit you mention, also purchase glucosamine separately prior to using it, and what makes glucosamine so special for joint relief anyway?
enquiring minds want to know...
bottom line: you will always have diverse opinions about ANY multi in existence, from those that believe a multi is not needed, to those who believe you must have the most biologically active forms and over-the-top amounts of each and every vitamin and mineral in existence
It's a fine product. I just avoided it because it was usually more expensive than some other brands, but honestly haven't looked into it for several years. If you can find it at a reasonable price, give it a shot.It's a good multivitamin for sure but not sure if it's very cost effective.
I was looking at the panel listed for the pills, per 3 caps serving.. (which you can take 1, 2, or 3 servings daily)I've used anavite powder and it does contain 3.2g of BA, 2g of lclt, (both of which I would consider full doses) p5p, chelated minerals and not terribly expensive... And the vitamin D is 2000 IU per daily dose
yes I haveHave you tried using anavite for a month?
I find ArA pretty worthless (again from past personal experience)Anavite - 8 caps a day split into two dose it is a total of 3.2 BA & 2g of lclt. Stacks well with ArA.
Definitely agree.It's a fine product. I just avoided it because it was usually more expensive than some other brands, but honestly haven't looked into it for several years. If you can find it at a reasonable price, give it a shot.
It's a fine product. I just avoided it because it was usually more expensive than some other brands, but honestly haven't looked into it for several years. If you can find it at a reasonable price, give it a shot.
was this regarding animal pak?It's a good multivitamin for sure but not sure if it's very cost effective.
I am a little shocked to see you say this. It has always been my opinion that the "test your blood" vitamin stuff is a scam. Vitamins in your blood come and go and will be high/low based on many factors. You may be deficient in something today and be high in it in a couple of weeks. I think a consistent supply is a better way to go, and more cost effective. But, I am shocked not because I think you are wrong - but because I know you are educated and I would like to hear more about your opinion on this, since maybe you have a different take.It's better to get tested for deficiencies and then get individual ingredients.
Take your minerals in the evening as well.
True but it's like 20-25$ for a 1-2 month supply. I say 2 months if you only dose once a day @ 3 caps. I used to think supps are expensive but my food is fairly hefty. All I have to do is eat chicken for two days and I can save enough money to pay for my supps.It's a good multivitamin for sure but not sure if it's very cost effective.
Good info here. What about vitamins in food? Aren't they also competing? And don't vitamins and minerals absorb better in the presence of other nutrients? Would it be better if someone came out with a morning/noon/night vitamin product that helped avoid some of the absorption issues by dosing different vitamins at different times?Getting labs drawn is in no way a scam. Your levels aren't going to vary that drastically on a day-to-day basis. Especially fat soluble vitamins, which stay in your body for a good amount of time.
The problem with multivitamins isn't the fact that they're inadequate as even Centrum would do just fine or even Costco's multi, which consistently tests pretty high would be ok. The real issue with a multi is that each and every vitamin competes; one blocks one, the other blocks another and so on. The inherent issue is that a each vitamin itself effectively blocks absorption of another.
Companies such as Controlled Labs have realized this issue and have dosed accordingly as can be seen with larger doses of specific vitamins.
Production costs for vitamins is relatively small. The issue again isn't lack of funding but that the vitamins themselves counteract each other, so-to-speak
Yup to a degree a lot things compete and can also increase absorption.Good info here. What about vitamins in food? Aren't they also competing? And don't vitamins and minerals absorb better in the presence of other nutrients? Would it be better if someone came out with a morning/noon/night vitamin product that helped avoid some of the absorption issues by dosing different vitamins at different times?
I'm not saying all this to be argumentative....I think both sides are interesting. Sometimes it is easy to over-think stuff like this...sometimes the knowledge is presented that makes me realize I was wrong and it does make a difference....
I think that's the general consensusAnimal Pak is not a good multivitamin.
This is what I was thinking but didn't really say. I can see individually supplementing specific vitamins/minerals if you're looking for an effect, but the shotgun approach probably isn't the most effective way to go about it.Here's a multi: go to cosco and buy those five pound bags of the following: broccoli, kale, spinach, cauliflower, asparagus, and Brussel sprouts. And maybe some carrots if you're feeling frisky.
There's your multi.
Unless you're in severe contest prep mode, are trying to deplete glycogen, or are doing a PSMF, there really is no excuse why any one of us should be supplementing with a multi. Our food needs to fuel and supplement our lifting regimen. That's it.
This isn't meant to come across as aggressive, but a multi isn't a band aid and its a dangerous precedent to set thinking that vitamins can replace food or food groups that we might be lacking in.
Really, the only additional items one might need is calcium if milk intake is low/individual lactose problem; vitamin d and maybe e and if you don't eat your carrots, vitamin a.
Also, no disrespect to any reps. I know you're just doing your job and I commend you for it.
It has niacin, biotin, vitamins a, b, c, d, copper, magnesium, zinc, milk thistle, folic acid, Hawthorne berry, coq10 (though very low), grape seed extract, etc.was this regarding animal pak?
I keep hearing these opinions, but with no substantiation to explain the choice other than "it is fine" or "I like it" -- which is fine I guess, but I'm trying to get you guys to think about what it is that draws you to a product
for animal pak - is it the B12 (cyanocobalamin) at low dose of 6mcg that you find attractive? is it the whopping 25mg of l-carnitine that turns you on? (and those totals are per 2 paks serving size!)
or, is it the poor quality of "argentine" liver that they have, that is simply compressed protein powder?
ahhh - I bet it's because you like the 2g l-arginine in it! (arginine is so valuable)..
wait - I know now, it must be the Smilax at 500mg that makes this one a must-have!
or is it just because the price is steep (so it must be good!), where you will pay ~$1.50 (or more) daily for your 22-day supply (2 paks daily to get listed panel doses)...
curious
most vitamins have these in themIt has niacin, biotin, vitamins a, b, c, d, copper, magnesium, zinc, milk thistle, folic acid, Hawthorne berry, coq10 (though very low), grape seed extract, etc.
yes, that is our theory as well here at FINAFLEX with our productIt also contains some eaa's, other support vitamins and minerals. Yes it may not be enough of them in a serving for everything, that's why it's a supplement. It doesn't replace all the vit and minerals you get from food. You're not supposed to get a 100% of something from a supplement, unless its for support.
you apparently have no clue about the importance of b12Also your dose on b12 is incorrect and b12 is useless unless you have a deficiency imo.
Most multi vitamins do not have these products in them. Not from what I've seen at least. If they did I would use one but I don't and I don't use animal pak either. I buy and use whatever vitamins I feel I need at my own tailored doses to me.most vitamins have these in them
our Active Multi has every single ingredient you just mentioned there, in it -- inc coQ10
you can get comparable levels of vitamins you mention above, in products with much lower price...this still does not justify saying AP is a "good multivitamin"
yes, that is our theory as well here at FINAFLEX with our product
nobody here ever said you were supposed to get 100% of your vitamin intake from a pill
you apparently have no clue about the importance of b12
what you say may be half true tho - in a normal healthy metabolism, b12 is recycled and conserved prevalently
this process tends to decrease with age however, and does not remain stable for life, even in the healthy demographic
the site I looked at listed 6mcg per 2 paks...I looked at another one that shows 11mcg per 2
I see you like pointing out these discrepancies tho -- even if you feel b12 is useless to begin with lol...
You would use a multi because it has minuscule doses of ingredients in it like hawthorn, milk thistle, gse, cq10? Genius, carry on.Most multi vitamins do not have these products in them. Not from what I've seen at least. If they did I would use one but I don't and I don't use animal pak either. I buy and use whatever vitamins I feel I need at my own tailored doses to me. How did you assume I have no clue about the importance of b12? Animal pak is a multi vitamin not a b12 supplement. I think you are jumping to conclusions here. You sell supplements, so your agenda maybe dictating how you post. I'll take a lool at your multi, maybe it suits my needs?
Where did you jump to that conclusion from? Did you even read my post before you blabbered bull**** down?You would use a multi because it has minuscule doses of ingredients in it like hawthorn, milk thistle, gse, cq10? Genius, carry on.
wait - dint you just say this yesterday:I don't use animal pak or give a care to. It has the basic bull**** all the other multivitamins have.
you seem to be all over the place here...Most multi vitamins do not have these products in them. Not from what I've seen at least.
I have no agenda, other than discussing multivitamins in this thread, and trying to see why ppl like xyz product other than just saying "it is a fine vitamin"You sell supplements, so your agenda maybe dictating how you post. I'll take a lool at your multi, maybe it suits my needs?
Your taking my posts out of context, there's a difference between vitamins, minerals, and support supplements. You know this.wait - dint you just say this yesterday:
you seem to be all over the place here...
I have no agenda, other than discussing multivitamins in this thread, and trying to see why ppl like xyz product other than just saying "it is a fine vitamin"
you need to stop assuming ppl have agendas, or thinking that "reps" are on some obscene demonic mission to brainwash you into buying supplements
as for our multi - yes you can take a look if you wish, perhaps it would suit your needs
as I have no clue what your needs are, I will let you make that assessment yourself
View attachment 107970you need to stop assuming ppl have agendas, or thinking that "reps" are on some obscene demonic mission to brainwash you into buying supplementsf
ummm, gee I dunno,...perhaps right here??I have nothing against reps nor did I say such things. Again where are you getting these conclusions from?
You sell supplements, so your agenda maybe dictating how you post.
you are quite incessant aren't you?Really? I think you guys need to recheck what you are saying before you attack my comment about animal pak being a "good" mutli.
Like I said, I wouldn't go to multis for support supplements but you want to argue you point it looks like animal pak has the upperhand in that department.
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