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Has anyone used this and think its good and also can anyone confirm if the (-)epi dosage is good enough to see gains?
Ya the piperine is the only ingredient that isn't really used except for avaialbility... The rest of the ingredients range from test boosting to nutrient partitioning, etc. Honestly the nutrient partitioning seems to be by far teh biggest benefit for me.Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the other ingredients to make it more bioavailable? Also great progress you may have dropped 1.5 lbs but you are defiantly bigger. Do you think you will be using ep1c or Follidrone to compare?
Edited: Never mind that is just the black pepper extract.
What about body comp, any difference?I'm using it right now with Alphadex as well.
Haven't touched on weight gain but my strength and endurance are definitely increasing EVERY workout.
I linked your log above... You had very similar results to what I've experienced the only difference being the calories really. Body comp was directly related to each of our calorie levels (mine being lower and yours being higher)I ate on a decent surplus (400-700 most days, and 1000+ on some random days like my birthday) and I barely gained fat. So body composition definitely has positive effects if you do a more leaner bulk and control your diet better (which i admit, I had trouble with).
There is epicatechin in it, but I don't think there are any star ingredients in it. It's a mix of effective ingredients that makes it a good supplement. I noticed strength/endurance gains, as well as hunger and libido increases too. I've logged it here.
Nice! I was too lazy to link my log, haha. But yeah, my calories were pretty high and I gain too much fat. Most of my weight gain probably came from the carbs, because I normally follow a low-moderate carb diet and I increased my carbs a lot during the log.I linked your log above... You had very similar results to what I've experienced the only difference being the calories really. Body comp was directly related to each of our calorie levels (mine being lower and yours being higher)
So would it be better to get Ep1c over this since the dose is higher and I can run it longer?I ate on a decent surplus (400-700 most days, and 1000+ on some random days like my birthday) and I barely gained fat. So body composition definitely has positive effects if you do a more leaner bulk and control your diet better (which i admit, I had trouble with).
There is epicatechin in it, but I don't think there are any star ingredients in it. It's a mix of effective ingredients that makes it a good supplement. I noticed strength/endurance gains, as well as hunger and libido increases too. I've logged it here.
I've ran Follidrone (which is basically the same thing as Ep1c) and I got good results too. I think both are equally as effective, IMO. Ep1c is supposedly higher dosed than Follidrone, so I can't see any drawbacks running it.So would it be better to get Ep1c over this since the dose is higher and I can run it longer?
I'm cutting so body comp, I tried Follidrone but I'm willing to try another product; I read on this that someone got different results on there second bottle of an -(-)epi product.What are your goals with this? It seems to me -(-)epi is better suited for strength and endurance vs body composition. That seems to be very hit or miss and more likely is due to diets then the epi itself. If you're looking for something that will recomp or build mass I think magnitropin would be better then -(-)epi alone. Either that or stack a smaller dose of an epi product with the magnitropin to get the best of both worlds!
Honestly I felt my results were good on the first bottle, but I bought two bottles so I ran them straight through. If Follidrone didn't work for you, I'm not sure if Ep1c will and you might want to try Magnitropin. Magnitropin definitely has good body comp results, but one of it's ingredients may make you hungry and make it very hard to cut unless you stack it with an appetite suppressant, like Norcodrene.I'm cutting so body comp, I tried Follidrone but I'm willing to try another product; I read on this that someone got different results on there second bottle of an -(-)epi product.
After my bb comp i rebounded with 17lbs lost 7 and since starting MAGNITROPIN and ALPHADEX have gained around 5lbs.What about body comp, any difference?
For your cutting goal I would def recommend this Over just an epi product. Very few have seen significant body comp results with those products short of bulking. I think magnitropin will suit you much better as an overall but you'll get some of the epi effects as well.Alright guys thanks, I'm probably going to shoot for mag
I wanted to go back to PES here since it's been a while.
I wanted to go back to ABE, ERASE PRO, ALPHAMINE stack but I've been eyeing this new supplement company MYOKEM. I notice they have the same supplements in their lineup that I'm looking to use. And I've been reading stellar reviews.
I mean it says a lot when SUPPLEMENTREVIEWS.COM says Myokem ranks overall higher % than PES. That's incredible.
Just asking..
I figured it was cause they're a new company and SR was trying to help hype them up.No it doesn't Supplementreviews.com is a joke.
Ah. Hm. Nice.Im on Mag and Alphadex atm, loving both. so far really crazy endurance been going ham on the volume lately, and noticed not holding onto far less water since when i started, weight dropping pretty fast to. seeing nice strength improvements also
See, this is a good read.I'm on week 8 of Mag. To be honest I'm a bit surprised at my body recomp effects. At first I wasn't sure the product was for me because my appetite went through the roof and I was recomping. So I started playing with the dosage. Started out 3 am and 3 preworkout but I couldn't quit eating and so I dosed the 3 and 3 on w/o days only. On off days I did 2 and 2. Then after a couple weeks the appetite problem went away and I started back to 3 and 3 everyday. After week 5 I could tell I was losing some belly fat and my muscles where fuller. I've ran epic and imo I got better effects from the Mag. What's weird overall is I don't get the endurance or strength effects from Epi but I feel and look bigger and I ended up losing around a pound. Would highly recommend this product.
I'm about to start up a bottle. Do you think 8 weeks made a greater difference than 4?I'm on week 8 of Mag. To be honest I'm a bit surprised at my body recomp effects. At first I wasn't sure the product was for me because my appetite went through the roof and I was recomping. So I started playing with the dosage. Started out 3 am and 3 preworkout but I couldn't quit eating and so I dosed the 3 and 3 on w/o days only. On off days I did 2 and 2. Then after a couple weeks the appetite problem went away and I started back to 3 and 3 everyday. After week 5 I could tell I was losing some belly fat and my muscles where fuller. I've ran epic and imo I got better effects from the Mag. What's weird overall is I don't get the endurance or strength effects from Epi but I feel and look bigger and I ended up losing around a pound. Would highly recommend this product.
Never ran it but I can tell you running for 8 weeks will be better then 4 weeks.I'm about to start up a bottle. Do you think 8 weeks made a greater difference than 4?
I think the cistanche would be giving the nice full look, loved cistamax. if only it didn't get discontinued. really miss it glad it's in mag just may not be as high of a dose.I'm on week 8 of Mag. To be honest I'm a bit surprised at my body recomp effects. At first I wasn't sure the product was for me because my appetite went through the roof and I was recomping. So I started playing with the dosage. Started out 3 am and 3 preworkout but I couldn't quit eating and so I dosed the 3 and 3 on w/o days only. On off days I did 2 and 2. Then after a couple weeks the appetite problem went away and I started back to 3 and 3 everyday. After week 5 I could tell I was losing some belly fat and my muscles where fuller. I've ran epic and imo I got better effects from the Mag. What's weird overall is I don't get the endurance or strength effects from Epi but I feel and look bigger and I ended up losing around a pound. Would highly recommend this product.
Cistamax already got canned? Wtf?!...seriously?I think the cistanche would be giving the nice full look, loved cistamax. if only it didn't get discontinued. really miss it glad it's in mag just may not be as high of a dose.
Too expensive to source. It was a one time run.Cistamax already got canned? Wtf?!...seriously?
figured, that's usually the caseNever ran it but I can tell you running for 8 weeks will be better then 4 weeks.
I wish I had 7-8 weeks instead of the 3-4 I had (for my one bottle sponsored log).I'm about to start up a bottle. Do you think 8 weeks made a greater difference than 4?
Wow. Speechless. Too pricey for PES?Too expensive to source. It was a one time run.
it's not hormonal so I'd go at least 8 weeks. I might try to run it with an AI and Norcodrene next time to see what it does on a cut. Only other real supp I was running with it was Amento. I use Dermacrine almost year around so I know what the impact Mag had on me.I'm about to start up a bottle. Do you think 8 weeks made a greater difference than 4?
it's not hormonal so I'd go at least 8 weeks. I might try to run it with an AI and Norcodrene next time to see what it does on a cut. Only other real supp I was running with it was Amento. I use Dermacrine almost year around so I know what the impact Mag had on me.
I've read that it doesn't...Searched on here and found a thread about it made by the former owner of PP, Eric Potratz. Also saw something about it posted by an Endo on a forum based on hormones and hormone regulation.Does Dermacrine not shut you down?
I plan on running Magnitropin after my ostarine cycle is over.