Transdermal Laxogenin or Ecdy

[braskibra]

Hey AM,

I'm looking for some advice for the future. I am finishing up a stack of ARA and test factor which has been awesome. The recent thread on Ecdy has sparked my interest on a future run (probably in 3 weeks).

I accept that neither ingredient has tons of backing so I am looking for some advice on whether to run the transdermal version of OL strength or an Ecdy product like I force or mass pro. I would run the Trans at a double dose (4 pumps) or go with the ecdy around workouts and meals.

Anyone have some individual feedback, sponsored feedback is fine I would like some independent feedback as well.

I tried oral LGI laxogenin, reduced DOMS but otherwise unimpressed. Probably made the mistake of dosing too low or maybe due to bioavaliability issues.

Goals are to begin bulking, high volume training

 

[Contaygious]

I'm loving dermastr3ngth for some strength ha, name says it all! Been about 1.5 weeks. Raises my temp and i sweat a lit more too,

 

[ma70]

ECDY thread:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/251675-ecdysterone-anyone-heard.html

 

[Olympus Labs]

4 full pumps would be 400 mg of trans lax, i think you want 200mg at most.

 

[braskibra]

4 full pumps would be 400 mg of trans lax, i think you want 200mg at most.

Fair enough, I forgot serving size was 1/2

 

[braskibra]

Mixel appears to think it wouldnt suit a hypertrophy block, puzzling to me if it increases MPS. Albeit maybe the reduction in stressors is more suitable for cutting.

 

[braskibra]

I'm loving dermastr3ngth for some strength ha, name says it all! Been about 1.5 weeks. Raises my temp and i sweat a lit more too,

glad to hear it

I like to give things a full go of 12 weeks to decipher effectiveness. It took a good 8 weeks for me to really notice effects (body comp wise) of ARA aside from DOMS. The scale and BF didnt start to move until then

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

its been my experience that it works best when ecdy is used on a cut as well. it tightens my skin and makes recovery a cinch when below maintenance calorie intake.

 

[GreenMachineX]

Why not run them stacked?

 

[ELROCK]

Why not run them stacked?

I will be doing this shortly. I will also post up my experience once I am finished.

 

[GreenMachineX]

I will be doing this shortly. I will also post up my experience once I am finished.

Right on.

 

[braskibra]

Why not run them stacked?

I like to establish what is effective and what is not so I dont wash money down the drain in the future

 

[ma70]

Stacking two things that haven't been tried by many people doesn't sound like a great idea, especially if you have no experience with either. How will you know which one is really working for you...?

 

[braskibra]

its been my experience that it works best when ecdy is used on a cut as well. it tightens my skin and makes recovery a cinch when below maintenance calorie intake.

Thanks for the feedback!

 

[ELROCK]

Stacking two things that haven't been tried by many people doesn't sound like a great idea, especially if you have no experience with either. How will you know which one is really working for you...?

I probably should have stated that I will be running dermastrength solo for 4 weeks before I add in the ecdy. I will continue it for 12 weeks.

 

[braskibra]

I probably should have stated that I will be running dermastrength solo for 4 weeks before I add in the ecdy. I will continue it for 12 weeks.

cool man let me know how that goes

 

[ELROCK]

cool man let me know how that goes

Will do!

 

[Mixelflick]

Mixel appears to think it wouldnt suit a hypertrophy block, puzzling to me if it increases MPS. Albeit maybe the reduction in stressors is more suitable for cutting.

To put a finer point on things, I feel strongly Ecdy isn't ideal on a "bulk". Hypertrophy is a function of many variables, but for my $ it has the most to do with intensity of effort and the time it takes to complete said activity. Total tonnage is a great way to measure this. Assume trainee moves 10,000lbs in 10 minutes on any given exercise:

(weight used x reps x sets = 10,000)/10minutes

That yields a number, 1,000lbs per minute

In order to stimulate growth, our trainee needs to move something greater than 1,000lbs/min next workout. He can do that any number of ways, but I like to keep everything else constant - and gun for more reps. Favor doing this on the first set or two, as that's when my energy is the highest. Others like to rep out at the end of the workout.

What I'm saying is this: In a caloric deficit (or zig zag plan), Ecdy allows you to recover faster between workouts, and even between sets (intra-workout recovery). You wind up moving more weight per unit of time, and can do so more frequently in any given week, month or year. That adds up fast, and so do your gains in strength, lbm etc.

100mg per pump of Laxogenin is one hell of a generous dose.

To give some perspective on this, sublinguals usually range from 5 to 25mg. Orals I've seen up to 50mg per cap.

I hope that helps...

 

[Spaniard]

To put a finer point on things, I feel strongly Ecdy isn't ideal on a "bulk". Hypertrophy is a function of many variables, but for my $ it has the most to do with intensity of effort and the time it takes to complete said activity. Total tonnage is a great way to measure this. Assume trainee moves 10,000lbs in 10 minutes on any given exercise:

(weight used x reps x sets = 10,000)/10minutes

That yields a number, 1,000lbs per minute

In order to stimulate growth, our trainee needs to move something greater than 1,000lbs/min next workout. He can do that any number of ways, but I like to keep everything else constant - and gun for more reps. Favor doing this on the first set or two, as that's when my energy is the highest. Others like to rep out at the end of the workout.

What I'm saying is this: In a caloric deficit (or zig zag plan), Ecdy allows you to recover faster between workouts, and even between sets (intra-workout recovery). You wind up moving more weight per unit of time, and can do so more frequently in any given week, month or year. That adds up fast, and so do your gains in strength, lbm etc.

100mg per pump of Laxogenin is one hell of a generous dose.

To give some perspective on this, sublinguals usually range from 5 to 25mg. Orals I've seen up to 50mg per cap.

I hope that helps...

DermaStrength dosage Mixel Flick approved

 

[braskibra]

To put a finer point on things, I feel strongly Ecdy isn't ideal on a "bulk". Hypertrophy is a function of many variables, but for my $ it has the most to do with intensity of effort and the time it takes to complete said activity. Total tonnage is a great way to measure this. Assume trainee moves 10,000lbs in 10 minutes on any given exercise:

(weight used x reps x sets = 10,000)/10minutes



That yields a number, 1,000lbs per minute

In order to stimulate growth, our trainee needs to move something greater than 1,000lbs/min next workout. He can do that any number of ways, but I like to keep everything else constant - and gun for more reps. Favor doing this on the first set or two, as that's when my energy is the highest. Others like to rep out at the end of the workout.

What I'm saying is this: In a caloric deficit (or zig zag plan), Ecdy allows you to recover faster between workouts, and even between sets (intra-workout recovery). You wind up moving more weight per unit of time, and can do so more frequently in any given week, month or year. That adds up fast, and so do your gains in strength, lbm etc.

100mg per pump of Laxogenin is one hell of a generous dose.

To give some perspective on this, sublinguals usually range from 5 to 25mg. Orals I've seen up to 50mg per cap.

I hope that helps...

Thanks mixel so you like considering Power OutPut force x distance /time

I plan on trying in the future I myself have read a ton on russian training techniques, read both supertraining and other verkhoshanksy works
Thanks for the reply