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**Dio** · 03-01-2003 11:51 AM

Cyclodextrins have been successfully used for test replacement, so they have a history of delivery results (where do you think the idea came from)

The point is that if you want to take 1-test orally, it will likely deliver the best results. Most people prefer oral products (look at the great sales of 1AD) so this would be a big deal.

I realize most on this board prefer transdermals, but you should remember that you are in the minority.

**spike1205** · 03-01-2003 12:07 PM

how does a cyclodextrine work?

**ex_banana-eater** · 03-01-2003 06:10 PM

Originally posted by Conceptions

C'mon, if this is it then they might as well not release the product. i mean when a company makes a product, the next product should be better not worse.... so does anyone else think this will be effective or what?

I was just stating what a sublingual would do, not commenting if the product would be effective or not.

**LakeMountD** · 03-01-2003 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Dio
Cyclodextrins have been successfully used for test replacement, so they have a history of delivery results (where do you think the idea came from)

The point is that if you want to take 1-test orally, it will likely deliver the best results. Most people prefer oral products (look at the great sales of 1AD) so this would be a big deal.

I realize most on this board prefer transdermals, but you should remember that you are in the minority.

yeah but in the minority mainly because of convenience.. personally i would much rather take a pill than have greasy transdermals on me but in all actuallity the transdermals in my opinion are a much better way to go therefore i would definitely sacrifice convenience for results..

**WYD02** · 03-02-2003 05:25 AM

Well, to each their own. I don't like transdermals as well and am sick of getting 1-test in my eyes. If I had to pick between a trans and a pill that had to be taken multiple times a day, I would pick the pill. I dont know t hough, everyone is dfferent...

WYD

**ex_banana-eater** · 03-02-2003 03:06 PM

Originally posted by whosyourdaddy02
Well, to each their own. I don't like transdermals as well and am sick of getting 1-test in my eyes. If I had to pick between a trans and a pill that had to be taken multiple times a day, I would pick the pill. I dont know t hough, everyone is dfferent...

WYD

during the night as well... if you want stable test levels

**wojo** · 03-02-2003 03:10 PM

im seriously glad were the minority for both legal reasons and availability reasons..a pill would be much more convenient but i have serious doubts that a cyclo is the best oral route..i mean u need a to take it around the clock..well at least what i read from par and dazed..or i should say thats the impression i got

**drfly** · 03-03-2003 11:19 PM

its not actually just a pill that u pop with a glass of water. its a powder, u put a serving of it under u're tongue and let it dissolve, then dont eat or drink for 15 minutes. u have to do this 5 times a day. and if u read the results of the testers, its nothing spectacular, 3 of em had pretty good results, but like i said, nothing spectacular. i personally would prefer to apply a trans twice a day, but thats why im part of the minority.

**WYD02** · 03-03-2003 11:39 PM

The new 1fast product was indeed a cyclo "burn free" 1-test in powder... wonder what feedback will be like

WYD

**PLer** · 03-04-2003 05:09 PM

I think the best thing to use this for would be pre workout only. Shoot some up the nose prior or during workout and for sustained release use the transdermals.

I doubt I will use it alone. I don't like to have to take 6 doses of anything, much less something that's either going to have to go up my nose or if taken orally most likely taste like crap.

**Conceptions** · 03-04-2003 08:20 PM

up the nose?

**drfly** · 03-04-2003 11:39 PM

yes, up the nose. u can put the powder in a solution, and use it intra-nasally, since it is a cyclo, it would have about 90% absorption, but like he said, it wouldnt be a sustained release, so it would be of better use as a pre-workout.

**WYD02** · 03-05-2003 12:23 AM

What type of solution is generally found in intranasals?

**wojo** · 03-05-2003 02:56 AM

well that worx for 4-ad but 1-test has no stimulant properties..not saying ur wrong but i easily could be..inrages is a 5alpha preworkout stim and so is psychdiol from ergo

**PLer** · 03-05-2003 11:27 AM

Don't know about if it has stimulant properties or not, not really my point though. I was suggesting using it pre/during workout so that the levels in your body would be really high at that point in time, helping you lift more and get bigger/stronger. Obviously you would still need to take it either a ton of times a day or in addition to a transdermal to really reap benefits though.

You can just put it in water or saline solution, In Rage just uses purified water.

**curt2go** · 03-05-2003 11:32 AM

Man did I ever get the ball rolling on this one.. i was just guessing with the cyclo 1-test.....But I do think that is what it is... Talk to ya..

**Conceptions** · 03-05-2003 07:00 PM

Originally posted by drfly
yes, up the nose. u can put the powder in a solution, and use it intra-nasally, since it is a cyclo, it would have about 90% absorption, but like he said, it wouldnt be a sustained release, so it would be of better use as a pre-workout.

What type of solution would this mix in well with? Since i dont know about intra-nasal, do you stick this up your nose like those things people put up their nose when they have a cold? or can u just smell it from a distance?

**WYD02** · 03-05-2003 08:33 PM

This was just answered two posts up...

"You can just put it in water or saline solution, In Rage just uses purified water."

**drfly** · 03-05-2003 09:24 PM

yep, water or saline solution is easiest for an intranasal. and yes, it is "like those things people put up their nose when they have a cold"

by the way curt, i think u were right. im almost positive it is burn-free cyclo 1-test, good call on that one.

**PLer** · 03-06-2003 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Conceptions

What type of solution would this mix in well with? Since i dont know about intra-nasal, do you stick this up your nose like those things people put up their nose when they have a cold? or can u just smell it from a distance?

Not trying to flame or anything buddy, but the thought of someone sitting there trying to inhale the fumes or something from a bottle busts me up!

You want to find some kind of metered pump spray bottle, so you know how much you're getting. I think Natru-vent sells good ones. Then you can just dump a reasonable amount of cyclo powder in shake it up over a couple days and then you are ready to go. A reasonable amount normally is like 7 grams for 30ml.

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