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hello guys.im in the middle of a mild ph cycle(furuza-11keto) i have 1 month left.i was thinkin of puttin something alongside with the phs in order to aid in vascularity harness(im already low bf).what do you suggest?
 
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hello guys.im in the middle of a mild ph cycle(furuza-11keto) i have 1 month left.i was thinkin of puttin something alongside with the phs in order to aid in vascularity harness(im already low bf).what do you suggest?
I would check out the old school hormones section. Lots of great options.
 
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Except he's asked for supps in the supp section.

I'd say Agmatine or Nitrates

Agmatine or Nitrates for hardness? Also considering he's taking ph's....I was giving him my suggestions.
 
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Was meant for vascularity, should have specified. Ty
 
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Sarms s4 is an option. But you honestly should not need much with 2 dry ph's.
 
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Sarms s4 is an option. But you honestly should not need much with 2 dry ph's.
SARMS effect your test level. So don't use them during PCT or post cycle. How low is your BF? I'm not vascular at all but once I get at 10% and below a lot of my veins start to come.
 

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stano is cheap but i dont have much time till pct..one month..
 
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Only 4 weeks, ship dat Tren in fast!
 
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An AI will make you dry if that's why your looking for.
But I would think the cycle would be dry enough.
 

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SARMS effect your test level. So don't use them during PCT or post cycle. How low is your BF? I'm not vascular at all but once I get at 10% and below a lot of my veins start to come.
im 11 % mate,6 pack visible.
 
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im 11 % mate,6 pack visible.
So if you have a flat stomach you should notice your veins coming out more but it'll take some time sometimes. I can see my abs at 15% so make sure not to base your BF % off of your abs visibility.
 

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So if you have a flat stomach you should notice your veins coming out more but it'll take some time sometimes. I can see my abs at 15% so make sure not to base your BF % off of your abs visibility.
im 11% mate but i agree,u shouldnt base bf of abs visibility..
 
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Good options so far if you're looking for a hormonal route.

Xgels is a natty supplement which has feedback that it increases muscle fullness.
Anabeta is the same
 
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Anti-estrogens like Erase Pro are commonly taken for hardness. Anything that hardens/dries you out will also increase the visibility of veins. If you want to make them come through even more, I would add 1g agmatine per day
 
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I get pretty vascular when i take potassium nitrate and agmatine
 
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I told you Tren OP haha
 
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potassium nitrate, just came off...really vascular in places that i don't usually get vascularity
 
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And get it in the patch form. It'll soak right in.
 
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SARMS effect your test level. So don't use them during PCT or post cycle. How low is your BF? I'm not vascular at all but once I get at 10% and below a lot of my veins start to come.
He is looking for something "to run alongside ph's". Not in pct.
 

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Anti-estrogens like Erase Pro are commonly taken for hardness. Anything that hardens/dries you out will also increase the visibility of veins. If you want to make them come through even more, I would add 1g agmatine per day
i was thinkin of using erase pro but the cortizol from erase pro +high dose 11 keto will be zero lol and thats not a good thing..maybe i could use agmatine..but i guess it helps vascularity only during training,not the whole day..
 
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X-Factor is very well known for increasing muscle hardness.
 

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X-Factor is very well known for increasing muscle hardness.
ive used it in the past alone,nothing happened for me,just a little increase in strength..i was a little higher bf though
 
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You shouldn't need anything on cycle to make you feel like superman. I would get some GDAs like glycophase and maybe something like Erase for PCT
 
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Extend your cycle and add stano or epiandro or mayb even lg science ph17
 
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Edit

Reread op original post my bad
 
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I guess I am confused now..

I thought you wanted something to run with your PH?
 
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Glycogen
Sodium
Blood pressure
Body fat
temperature
All factors in vascularity
 
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Look into formeron or a transdermal formestane product
Definitely helps out here. I use formeron and its been great at hardening/drying/vascularity.
 

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Look into formeron or a transdermal formestane product
Definitely helps out here. I use formeron and its been great at hardening/drying/vascularity.
i thought about formeron.the thing is that i have almost 4 weeks left for pct to start,if i order formeron now,it will come to my house in 2 weeks.ill have 2 weeks till pct,and for pct i have nolva on hand so i dont wanna use formeron with nolva...
 
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i thought about formeron.the thing is that i have almost 4 weeks left for pct to start,if i order formeron now,it will come to my house in 2 weeks.ill have 2 weeks till pct,and for pct i have nolva on hand so i dont wanna use formeron with nolva...
People (including my self) regularly overlap a SERM and an AI. As I am tapering off the SERM ill usually add in an AI at the start of week three.
 
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i thought about formeron.the thing is that i have almost 4 weeks left for pct to start,if i order formeron now,it will come to my house in 2 weeks.ill have 2 weeks till pct,and for pct i have nolva on hand so i dont wanna use formeron with nolva...
Why wouldn't you want to use formeron with nolva?Run the formeron with nolva and then past the nolva so you don't get rebound gyno..
 
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Why wouldn't you want to use formeron with nolva?Run the formeron with nolva and then past the nolva so you don't get rebound gyno..
You dont want to crush Estrogen too bad when you are trying to recover, Week 1 and 2 is when youre dosing your SERM the highest then its good to add in an AI later. And don’t let that other guy trick you into thinking that a topical Formestane is the only needed product for PCT.
 

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Why wouldn't you want to use formeron with nolva?Run the formeron with nolva and then past the nolva so you don't get rebound gyno..
my cycle looks like this right now 11 keto 700/700/700/700

furuza 300/300/300/300

formeron ?

how do u think i should proceed?
 
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Dietary changes are what you need. Certainly and AI like TransForm could help but you aren't running anything that converts to estrogen so I can not imagine that you have much if any estro running around right now. Non-aromatizing designers do not convert to estro, they also shut down natty test levels, with no test and nothing to aromatize you probably have pretty low estro anyway. So really I would just clean up the diet and try to get leaner if that is the look you want.

Other than that, check out our Laxogenin product STR3NGTH, we also have a Transdermal version on presale at Nutriverse. Other options X-gels, GDA's and glutamine. Yes Glutamine, you want to increase the density / hardness of the muscle try supplementing L-Glutamine. Always hardens my muscles up.
 

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Dietary changes are what you need. Certainly and AI like TransForm could help but you aren't running anything that converts to estrogen so I can not imagine that you have much if any estro running around right now. Non-aromatizing designers do not convert to estro, they also shut down natty test levels, with no test and nothing to aromatize you probably have pretty low estro anyway. So really I would just clean up the diet and try to get leaner if that is the look you want.

Other than that, check out our Laxogenin product STR3NGTH, we also have a Transdermal version on presale at Nutriverse. Other options X-gels, GDA's and glutamine. Yes Glutamine, you want to increase the density / hardness of the muscle try supplementing L-Glutamine. Always hardens my muscles up.
allright mate thanks youre right.i forget about formeron right now.my diet is really clean ,nothing else i can clean to be honest lol.i was thinkin of usin laxogenin but in pct.
can u tell me some things about gdas if u may?and one other question..my whole cycle was like this 11 keto 600/600/700/700/700/700/700/700
furuza 0/0/0/0/300/300/300/300
as you see i put furuza kinda late in my stack...if i extended the cycle more than 8 weeks without 11 keto,only furuza to feel it more would that be a good idea..?
something like this
11 keto 600/600/700/700/700/700/700/700/0/0
furuza 0/0/0/0/300/300/300/300/300/300
 
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You dont want to crush Estrogen too bad when you are trying to recover, Week 1 and 2 is when youre dosing your SERM the highest then its good to add in an AI later. And don’t let that other guy trick you into thinking that a topical Formestane is the only needed product for PCT.

Yeah, you think 1 to 2 pumps is good for PCT and 2 weeks post PCT yea? Don't think it would crush estrogen too bad at that dose..

4 pumps thoooo... Lol
 

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guys any real difference between glycobol,slinshot etc to r-ala?r-ala is very cheap instead of the others..
 

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