Black lion. Follidrone. Worth it?

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  1. Gaining 4lbs in 2wks on test is difficult at maintenance calories, you obviously are not on maintanece calories. And you said it is better than 2 steroids you took, I guess I need to invest in a couple bottles to see whats up.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Firstcycle View Post
    Thanks for all the help. I know there isn't a happy pill. Sure I agree but I am just like the rest of you in here looking for guidance on what supplement to help me along with all the diet and training. Be it follidrone or havoc or test and deca. I want something to produce results I see. I know I can do it the old fashion way. But I don't want to. I want results quicker than two years. I know I will catch stuff and I don't mean any disrespect. And I respect all the experienced people who are giving advice Just help me with the safest supplement to use to achieve my goal.
    No offense but taking test and deca for someone that doesn't even have their diet / training in check probably isn't the best decision. Get those in check, maybe drop a little body fat, then consider your options. PH/AAS route will have lots of sides and if you don't know how to eat a proper diet, then you will most likely lose the gains made during the cycle. The best and most safe option for you right now would definitely be follidrone since it doesn't have sides.
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  3. I thank you good sir. And I work shift work. So the diet is a challenge but I just need to read more thank you

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Firstcycle View Post
    Thanks for all the help. I know there isn't a happy pill. Sure I agree but I am just like the rest of you in here looking for guidance on what supplement to help me along with all the diet and training. Be it follidrone or havoc or test and deca. I want something to produce results I see. I know I can do it the old fashion way. But I don't want to. I want results quicker than two years. I know I will catch stuff and I don't mean any disrespect. And I respect all the experienced people who are giving advice Just help me with the safest supplement to use to achieve my goal.
    You can get results you see from just diet and cardio/ training volume changes.
    Supplements are meant to augment this not to be the primary mover. I can look like a different person in a few weeks with diet and cardio changes.
    It doesnt take years.
    What does take years is appreciable lean muscle mass. Drugs or no drugs. Supps or no supps. Keeping in mind havoc and deca are drugs with significant sides and health risks involved. Some potentially long term. Many of them require concurrent use of other drugs to mitigate side effects.
    Not understanding what to do and take will prove disastrous.

    Safe is something like FOllidrone.
    Havoc/deca or any other AAS has risks. PARTICULARLY oral steroids. THis includes the ones you buy over the counter. THey are still steroids.

    You have to do it the "old fashioned way" no matter what. Even steroids are not gonna just make you into a bodybuilder.
    Even if you gain 20lbs on your first cycle youll lose all the water and fat gained and keep perhaps a few lbs of muscle.
    This is if you continue to eat increased calories and continue to train hard and run a solid PCT.
    Doing this and a dozen other things over a decade = big.

    I was 135 and grew to lean 235. I used everything I could think of. It still took over 10 years with an intelligent educated approach.

    The plan is long term not short term. Bodybuilding is a marathon not a sprint.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    You can get results you see from just diet and cardio/ training volume changes.
    Supplements are meant to augment this not to be the primary mover. I can look like a different person in a few weeks with diet and cardio changes.
    It doesnt take years.
    What does take years is appreciable lean muscle mass. Drugs or no drugs. Supps or no supps. Keeping in mind havoc and deca are drugs with significant sides and health risks involved. Some potentially long term. Many of them require concurrent use of other drugs to mitigate side effects.
    Not understanding what to do and take will prove disastrous.

    Safe is something like FOllidrone.
    Havoc/deca or any other AAS has risks. PARTICULARLY oral steroids. THis includes the ones you buy over the counter. THey are still steroids.

    You have to do it the "old fashioned way" no matter what. Even steroids are not gonna just make you into a bodybuilder.
    Even if you gain 20lbs on your first cycle youll lose all the water and fat gained and keep perhaps a few lbs of muscle.
    This is if you continue to eat increased calories and continue to train hard and run a solid PCT.
    Doing this and a dozen other things over a decade = big.

    I was 135 and grew to lean 235. I used everything I could think of. It still took over 10 years with an intelligent educated approach.

    The plan is long term not short term. Bodybuilding is a marathon not a sprint.
    Great post and so true but worth the effort, I can attest once you build the muscle its yours, even if you stop lifting for a while and shrink down when you start back again it comes right back.
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  6. Any idea when ths is going to be in stock? I keep missing it
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  7. Yes sir.
    It was supposed to be shipped to us today but something happened when they were weighing everything and the numbers were off from what I shipped.
    Need to sort it out but I expect only a couple days more before itll ship to us. We will start pre sales then.

    IN fact....if you go to strong supplements you can pre order right now.
    Guaranteed a bottle.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by dallasboy22 View Post
    @Colbert. I'm 2 weeks in on folli.+4 pounds on maintenance diet. I have run hdrol and epi before and this blows those away compared to sides/pct you have to deal with. Got 6 more weeks to go! I'll take 4 lbs over sides.
    @dallasboy22 - You are from Dallas (username) and you went to OU?

    Anyways, an IFBB pro that uses GH and anabolic steroids and he is known the have a perfect diet year around and train insanely posted pictures on another forum and said that he 3 out of his 6lbs of weight gain was probably muscle and that was over a year. Take his results and your results into consideration.

    Unless you have a dexa scan scan with your before and after weight I doubt that you have actually gained that much muscle. +4lbs on maintenance diet is also a lot. Muscle gain comes from....never mind.

  9. This doesnt apply to the vast majority of trainers.
    An ifbb pro is likely at or near his absolute assisted potential. I know many ifbb pros and train with one every day. He doesnt gain anything really overall.
    Granted contest hes 250ish an non contest hes 270-80 but those numbers remain consistent.
    This is similar for most top teir or large pros. The body can only gain so much.

    Now...a guy who weighs 190....can still gain approx 60-80lbs under the best circumstances at an approx height of 5'10. Obviously other factors play a role amd this isnt a perfect exsmple.
    The point...a small guy working his way up might gain 10-20 lbs in a year. Of muscle. Again under the best circumstances...with lots of supps. This is 1-2 lbs per month. Perfect world scenerio.

    10lbs on any kind of cycle including fd is reasonable.
    20-30 on a solid inject cycle is easy stuff.
    Its not all muscle though.

    Nobody thinks they gain 10-30lbs of muscle in a month or two. Its impossible...but the same goes for anything. Anadrol. Dbol. Test. Tren you name it.
    Much is transient.

    Doesnt mean the weight gain is useless or not happening. Everything contributes.
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  10. Also keeping in mind me personally gained 100lbs of muscle from start to my largest. Perhaps a tad more.
    So im also talking from personal experience.
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  11. Brundel, I'm on my 7th day of Follidrone, stuffs amazing. I did a cardio class yesterday which I haven't done in 6 weeks, I didn't run or do any kind of cardio in those 6 weeks, all I did was lift. I was able to do a 12% incline on the treadmill at 7.0 speed at 1 minute intervals, then ground work. To my amazement I burned 1275 calories in 1 hour (we have heart monitors that display our calories and averages on a big TV screen). I thought I would really die in this class especially for the fact I missed 6 weeks, but I held my own. I'm 5'9 200 lbs, 10% fat and I'm 45 yrs old. I have also been on Viron for 2 weeks now and Formeron for months. Follidrone is a whole new animal.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Piston Honda View Post
    I don't think I've seen one review yet by someone who's used Follidrone and WASN'T satisfied with it.
    I just want to see some photos. I think everyone logging should have to provide before after pics
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    I just want to see some photos. I think everyone logging should have to provide before after pics
    Most of the logs are unsponsored, so I wouldn't say people HAVE to provide anything...but it would be a plus.

  14. Everyone who enters the transformation contest will need to provide before and after for judging.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    I just want to see some photos. I think everyone logging should have to provide before after pics
    You seem to be one of the most negative and skeptical people on the forum when it comes to BLR, any reason?

  16. It's legitimate. No one has any reason to lie or exaggerate, but pics can help paint a picture better. That is why they are required for the contest.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Joshlm69 View Post
    You seem to be one of the most negative and skeptical people on the forum when it comes to BLR, any reason?
    Pics may create MORE demand...could be a good thing

  18. I can see pics causing 1000 bottles to be sold in 5 minutes instead of 10.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    It's legitimate.
    the thing is there're too many people, from Countries all over the world quite honestly, which have now reported virtually the same results.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Piston Honda View Post
    Pics may create MORE demand...could be a good thing
    Not for us consumers when its never in stock :P

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    the thing is there're too many people, from Countries all over the world quite honestly, which have now reported virtually the same results.
    Oh, I know that and like I said, no one has any reason to lie about it. Just that pics can help that 1 or 2 people still on the fence (lol) to get in line.

  22. I am starting my folli log in 2 days. I will post before/after pics in the 12 week duration (possibly longer), but will post pics every 4 weeks

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Joshlm69 View Post
    You seem to be one of the most negative and skeptical people on the forum when it comes to BLR, any reason?

    You seem like a defender of follidrone and I don't think fightbackhxc has been negative at all towards BLR. He is just skeptical which it seems you turn around and twist into saying he is negative. Any reason why you defend follidrone so much?. How long have you been taking supplements?. How long have you been immersed in the supplement industry?. What is your background in this area?.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    You seem like a defender of follidrone and I don't think fightbackhxc has been negative at all towards BLR. He is just skeptical which it seems you turn around and twist into saying he is negative. Any reason why you defend follidrone so much?. How long have you been taking supplements?. How long have you been immersed in the supplement industry?. What is your background in this area?.
    It just seems in every BLR thread he seems to be extremely skeptical, almost offputting.

    I realise the point you are trying to make about a lot of supplements have hype and good marketing and end up being duds, so scepticism is completely founded, he just seems to constantly voice his scepticism on multiple occasions which I feel doesnt helps anyone out.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Joshlm69 View Post
    It just seems in every BLR thread he seems to be extremely skeptical, almost offputting. I realise the point you are trying to make about a lot of supplements have hype and good marketing and end up being duds, so scepticism is completely founded, he just seems to constantly voice his scepticism on multiple occasions which I feel doesnt helps anyone out.
    Your obsessed with BLR and Riding Brundells nuts. Lol

    It annoys me to keep seeing all of your posts.
    GTFO, go join evo or bb.com
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