Black lion. Follidrone. Worth it?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Firstcycle View Post
    27. And weight 175. About 18% body fat.
    Something in your training or nutrition has gone awry if these are your stats after two years of eating "very clean."


  2. Thanks. I am goo to up my cardio and use your advice.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by throneof View Post
    Something in your training or nutrition has gone awry if these are your stats after two years of eating "very clean."
    he can eat as "clean" as he wants hell even wash his broccoli and chicken breasts. if the calorie surplus exceeds what you need you gain fat simple. no need to restrict yourself to "clean foods" hit your macros, shoot for 70-80% whole foods, then you can allocate the remaining macros with a treat or whatever you like.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Firstcycle View Post
    Ok. Thank you. But far as ph. What should I run?
    You're not, imo, ready for PHs as you havent nailed down the basics yet
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  5. The biggest thing I noticed after my first week on Follidrone is that while I'm cutting, my strength which usually goes down by 25% is staying as if I was bulking, so yes the strength does go up and I also noticed my waist getting leaner. I'm also on Viron which raises test along with Formeron, neither of those had the effect Follidrone is giving me as far as strength.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Firstcycle View Post
    K I have posted on here before and was turned to this product. Now I have read a lot of good and bad. And sounds to be false hope. I was wanting to see if anyone here not working for a supp company has had any results or information before I try this. If not I am going to run havoc or epi cycle
    where did you here the bad stuff?
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by fightnews View Post
    where did you here the bad stuff?
    It was probably T- Bone filling his head.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Firstcycle View Post
    Been eating clean for 2 years. Very clean. Tired and want some gains and some results
    eating clean maybe but you're def eating to much, How about skipping a meal once in a while jez? You don't have to put gravy on everything you know.... jk..... notjk
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  9. Yeah. I agree. I don't eat anything white lol. And I have been eating clean. No cardio tho. So I need to up that

  10. Results on Follidrone have been way beyond what anyone could have imagined and it is all because it actually works. There is a reason everyone is starting to take notice and are coming out with their versions. Will it work for you for strength and endurance gains- most likely based on results of everyone who has used it. It is an incredible product.

    That being said, I am 100% on the side of those mentioning to get your diet dialed in. 18% is not terrible, but there is a lot of room to improve and no supplement is going to fix that. Knowing you caloric and macro needs for a baseline is a must.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Firstcycle View Post
    Yeah. I agree. I don't eat anything white lol. And I have been eating clean. No cardio tho. So I need to up that
    stop with this nonsense. calories in vs calories out. hit macros.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Well then your diet needs work if you cant drop below 18%
    I think this statement is crap. Some people have a lot harder time getting a lower BF even with a good or "clean" diet. You may have genetics that make it easier for you but to make a blanket statement like that is ignorant.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by blurryimage View Post

    I think this statement is crap. Some people have a lot harder time getting a lower BF even with a good or "clean" diet. You may have genetics that make it easier for you but to make a blanket statement like that is ignorant.
    So people have genetics that mean they cant get below 18%? Or do some people just struggle with diet manipulation?

    Why is it only now that obesity has become rampant? Have our genetics suddenly flipped?

    Sure, there are confounders but to be stuck at 18% means there is some serious metabolic issues
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by blurryimage View Post
    I think this statement is crap. Some people have a lot harder time getting a lower BF even with a good or "clean" diet. You may have genetics that make it easier for you but to make a blanket statement like that is ignorant.
    Yeah well your diet can ve the cleanest in the word but if your slamming 4 full plates a day you won't lose weight. You need to eat less, be hungry, skip the occasional meal. Oatmeal is great for you but not if you eat enough for 15 people. Your meal portion should be the size of a fist. A small fist not george foremans fists on top of eachother. stop eating well before you're full
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  15. Folli can't be worth it, the hype is soo high it can't live up to those expectations. Sure a good supplement but just a slight boost to a solid diet and routine.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mase1 View Post
    Folli can't be worth it, the hype is soo high it can't live up to those expectations. Sure a good supplement but just a slight boost to a solid diet and routine.
    "Can't be worth it"? The hype is based on logs and personal experience buddy.

    Supplements are not magic pills. Every supplement, EVERY is based on diet, exercise, and rest. It just aids and helps, it doesn't do the work for you in bed.
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  17. Thanks, my point was based on statements of a magic pill. Of course I already stated what you said buddy. The best reviews come from the logs before folli hit the main stream. No expectations helps.

  18. Take this for what its worth as I own the company that makes Follidrone-

    The first thing I would do is make a solid diet plan. I dont mean like atkins or whatever I mean a plan on exactly what you will eat, per day, per week for 8 weeks. PLan to adhere strictly to this plan. If you want to grow, aim for 500 above maintenance and increase when you plateau.
    If you want to cut drop 500 and increase training volume and cardio.
    No sugar. or extremely limited. If you have issues losing bodyfat sugar is the enemy not fats.
    1.5+ grams of protein per lb of bodyweight.

    I would run- Follidrone 2 caps pre workout 8 weeks. Works great for cutting and bulking. We have seen a ton of guys gain 4-11lbs
    Many gaining a few even while in caloric deficit and losing bodyfat. (-)-epicatechin is great at assisting fat loss.
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    Formeron 4 pumps also 8 weeks.

    (-)-Epicatechin: cardiometabolic clinical effects supported by preclinical model (829.2)



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    • 1Laboratorio de Investigacion Integral Cardiometabolica ESM-IPN Santo Tomas. Mexico City Mexico
    • 2Department of Medicine UCSD La Jolla CA United States


    Abstract

    Background. Obesity associates with cardiometabolic disruptions. Lifestyle changes and pharmacologic therapies show moderately effective results. (-)-Epicatechin (EPI), the most abundant flavanol in cacao, has been associated with better cardiometabolic health. Objective. To assess the effect of EPI in humans and explain findings through a preclinical study. Methods. In humans, we performed a single-dose of EPI oral metabolic tolerance test and a 1-week trial, measuring cardiometabolic endpoints. In rats, we induced weight gain and cardiometabolic disruptions by a high-fat diet; afterwards, EPI was daily administered for 15 days. Weight gain, glycemia, arterial pressure, triglyceridemia, and HDL-cholesterol were measured; also, immonublot in skeletal muscle and adipose tissue were performed. Results. EPI enhanced lipid oxidation and attenuated hyperglycemia and hypertriglyceridemia during postprandial metabolism. EPI induced weight-loss, fat loss, and improved cardiometabolic endpoints in humans. In rats, EPI reduced weight gain, blood triglycerides, and hyperglycemia. EPI increased the expression of sirtuins, PCG-1α, mitofilin, UCP. Conclusions. EPI improved several cardiometabolic risk factors in both humans and animals by modulating energy metabolism. These findings make EPI an attractive candidate for human use in regards of treating obesity and its associated comorbidities.
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  19. Also some strong reviews in here.
    Log results.

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  20. I don't think I've seen one review yet by someone who's used Follidrone and WASN'T satisfied with it.
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  21. I appreciate the response, for what its worth ex phys and cscs here. If you need any help let me know.

  22. I really hope people don't really believe that they are gaining true 5-8 or even 4lbs of pure muscles on this product. Not trying to be a dick but if you gain that much from this product means that you were either: A) super duper small and are just starting out (and even then 4lbs of muscles is not possible) or B) you're still new to working out and you are on a lot more products than this product alone(GH, AAS, insulin, you know...all the good stuff). If you can gain 1-2lbs of muscles on this product then that is very amazing and you should be uber happy. As long as it helps you gain some strength and a bit of size then I would say it is truly worth using.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Colbert View Post
    I really hope people don't really believe that they are gaining true 5-8 or even 4lbs of pure muscles on this product. Not trying to be a dick but if you gain that much from this product means that you were either: A) super duper small and are just starting out (and even then 4lbs of muscles is not possible) or B) you're still new to working out and you are on a lot more products than this product alone(GH, AAS, insulin, you know...all the good stuff). If you can gain 1-2lbs of muscles on this product then that is very amazing and you should be uber happy. As long as it helps you gain some strength and a bit of size then I would say it is truly worth using.
    @Colbert. I'm 2 weeks in on folli.+4 pounds on maintenance diet. I have run hdrol and epi before and this blows those away compared to sides/pct you have to deal with. Got 6 more weeks to go! I'll take 4 lbs over sides.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by dallasboy22 View Post
    @Colbert. I'm 2 weeks in on folli.+4 pounds on maintenance diet. I have run hdrol and epi before and this blows those away compared to sides/pct you have to deal with. Got 6 more weeks to go! I'll take 4 lbs over sides.
    I think he means that a big part of that weight is glycogen, water, other tissues and not just muscle. New muscle is limited by protein synthesis rate that simply is limited, even when someone is using AAS. This doesn't mean that the results aren't spectacular

  25. Thanks for all the help. I know there isn't a happy pill. Sure I agree but I am just like the rest of you in here looking for guidance on what supplement to help me along with all the diet and training. Be it follidrone or havoc or test and deca. I want something to produce results I see. I know I can do it the old fashion way. But I don't want to. I want results quicker than two years. I know I will catch stuff and I don't mean any disrespect. And I respect all the experienced people who are giving advice Just help me with the safest supplement to use to achieve my goal.
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