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Heard great things about it. Can anyone recommend a legit product/brand?
X2 on Viron!Black Lion Research has a thread up about there new supplement.
Tongkat/Boron search, it's called Viron.
**** looks legit, got me some on the way.
lol x2When is somebody gonna just say T-Bone can't get any more jealous that his been since the BLR took over AM. What a puss......
Tito....... Tissues.He deleted his post. Womp Womp lol
YeaMight have been admined. Non sponsor brand post? Im not sure.
Lol just bought a box ;-)Tito....... Tissues.
Ive been working on the viron writeup.Lol just bought a box ;-)
Got 2 sitting on the shelf.Ive been working on the viron writeup.
Interesting stuff.
Tongkat has serm properties...
Boron increases vit d
Free t
Dht.
Cool stuff.
That's awesome. I'm starting mine in 1-2 weeks. Can't wait.Ive been working on the viron writeup. Interesting stuff. Tongkat has serm properties... Boron increases vit d Free t Dht. Cool stuff.
Yea I know this. The thing is I got the trial version. Not sure if he double dosed it or not5 days on 2 off @ 1 a day is what I read....
What is the eurycomanone % in Viron?Ive been working on the viron writeup.
Interesting stuff.
Tongkat has serm properties...
Boron increases vit d
Free t
Dht.
Cool stuff.
We havnt test specifically for this compound.What is the eurycomanone % in Viron?
Why would you do this?On another note,would using a serm whilst getting test externally via androgel pose any problems?
YupWhen is somebody gonna just say T-Bone can't get any more jealous that his been since the BLR took over AM. What a puss......
I figured if i use tongkat ali and androgel my natty test would get a boost.Why would you do this?
Unless your taking clomid to prevent gyno there is no point.
Clomid is WAY overprescribed and many DRs dont even understand how it works.
If anything take an AI and transdermal test.
Its not likely because when your using testosterone it suppresses natural test production.I figured if i use tongkat ali and androgel my natty test would get a boost.
No longer using Clomid. Just androgel.
Just to give you a heads up it should look like thisHopefully my Viron arrives tommorow so I can give it a go ASAP.
Lol I hate being patient
Ah Ha Thanks for the heads up lolJust to give you a heads up it should look like this <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102396"/>
Not yet, should be one a day, preferably first thing. You could try 2 I guess. Slow and steady beats fast Eddie. Try it and maybe play with dose.Ah Ha Thanks for the heads up lol
You running it yet?
Dosages etc ?
Did you immediately start at 2?My recommendation is to start with 1 in the morning because it is very good and if you are at all sensitive to TA, it may keep you up taking it later in the day. Assess and then maybe move up to 2 for a real good time. I take one in the morning (or pre workout) and then another mid afternoon.
Thanks.Its not likely because when your using testosterone it suppresses natural test production.
Even clomid wont do much as there is still significant suppression happening.
Look at it like this....if your taking test from the outside you pretty much have no natty test your relying 100% on external input. Stimulating it would be like trying to milk a cow with no udders.
You might get some..but negligible.
Tongkat has other properties though and the boron in out product Viron will increase free testosterone and DHT and vitamin D levels.
So youll get mood and energy from the tonkat and the others from the boron so its still a good deal.
I just would not expect total testosterone levels to rise.
As a vascular Ca2+ channel blocker, one would think tongkat would lower BP...We havnt test specifically for this compound.
There are...other beneficial compounds in the tongkat as well.
My personal fav is 9-hydroxycanthin-6-one
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21569213
When I first tested the extract we used I noticed effects consistent with the above study.
Not easy to get the good Tongkat. But this stuff is legit!Our brand new Test Factor uses a 2% eurycomanone Tongkat extract.
Sadly it isnt even as much about being easy to source as it is about company owners caring, or even knowing much about the actives in tongkat (clearly, Brundel is an exception, he knows his stuff).Not easy to get the good Tongkat. But this stuff is legit!
A stroke and pitch in one paragraph... A sign of a good salesmanSadly it isnt even as much about being easy to source as it is about company owners caring, or even knowing much about the actives in tongkat (clearly, Brundel is an exception, he knows his stuff).
Most companies just want to slap tongkat on the label as its a well known ingredient, or use other patented extracts that do not disclose their eurycomanone content (for good reason). This 2% extract just adds to the already impressive Test Factor formula, can't wait to see feedback on it. NP has been selling it QUICK, they already re ordered!
Agreed. Brundel knows his stuff!Sadly it isnt even as much about being easy to source as it is about company owners caring, or even knowing much about the actives in tongkat (clearly, Brundel is an exception, he knows his stuff).
Most companies just want to slap tongkat on the label as its a well known ingredient, or use other patented extracts that do not disclose their eurycomanone content (for good reason). This 2% extract just adds to the already impressive Test Factor formula, can't wait to see feedback on it. NP has been selling it QUICK, they already re ordered!
That is fairly interesting..As a vascular Ca2+ channel blocker, one would think tongkat would lower BP...
We will be shipping to more distributors next week.Ordered viron. Shame only one black lion online distributor has it in stock. Kinda pricey. But i want to go with the best.
Cool. Thanks for all your helpful info too brundel.We will be shipping to more distributors next week.
The price is actually low compared to other tongkat products that are - Real tongkat, properly extracted, work well.
Some are in the 90$ range for less tongkat than you get in ours.
You can find tongkat cheaper but likely its either not tongkat, or, its just raw tongkat material meaning no extract, or its improperly extracted.
I did my best to keep it inexpensive but...I figure people would rather have a good product than a cheap one.