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    Heard great things about it. Can anyone recommend a legit product/brand?
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    Black Lion Research has a thread up about there new supplement.

    Tongkat/Boron search, it's called Viron.

    **** looks legit, got me some on the way.
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    Viron is a very stout Tongkat ali extract with Boron citrate.
    The first retailer on our where to buy page has it in stock.

    http://www.blacklionresearch.com/where-to-buy/

    Ill hold our tongkat up to any on the market. Its also less expensive than the real stuff elsewhere (LOTS of fake tongkat out there)
    And it has Boron citrate which reduces SHBG
    Increases free test
    increases vitamin d
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    Viron and Bioforge.
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    Thanks guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peppers View Post
    Black Lion Research has a thread up about there new supplement.

    Tongkat/Boron search, it's called Viron.

    **** looks legit, got me some on the way.
    X2 on Viron!
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    When is somebody gonna just say T-Bone can't get any more jealous that his been since the BLR took over AM. What a puss......
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    Lol ^
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    I have been a long time tongkat user and tried just about every brand out there. Without question, BLRs sourcing is as good as the best out there, if not better, and way cheaper. The only brand that I feel matched, I was spending $85 a bottle on. Ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mission1 View Post
    When is somebody gonna just say T-Bone can't get any more jealous that his been since the BLR took over AM. What a puss......
    lol x2
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    He deleted his post. Womp Womp lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    He deleted his post. Womp Womp lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Might have been admined. Non sponsor brand post? Im not sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mission1 View Post
    Tito....... Tissues.
    Lol just bought a box ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post

    Lol just bought a box ;-)
    Ive been working on the viron writeup.
    Interesting stuff.
    Tongkat has serm properties...
    Boron increases vit d
    Free t
    Dht.

    Cool stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    Ive been working on the viron writeup.
    Interesting stuff.
    Tongkat has serm properties...
    Boron increases vit d
    Free t
    Dht.

    Cool stuff.
    Got 2 sitting on the shelf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Ive been working on the viron writeup. Interesting stuff. Tongkat has serm properties... Boron increases vit d Free t Dht. Cool stuff.
    That's awesome. I'm starting mine in 1-2 weeks. Can't wait.

    Word up. All positive things. Looking forward to my run. Ima need another bottle (what ima run is the bag you provided me)

    As we on topic, with the bag you gave me is the dosing one or two caps? Not sure if u double dosed that too.
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    5 days on 2 off @ 1 a day is what I read....
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    I love this stuff for libido purposes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mission1 View Post
    5 days on 2 off @ 1 a day is what I read....
    Yea I know this. The thing is I got the trial version. Not sure if he double dosed it or not
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    All viron caps are equal.
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    Gotcha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    Ive been working on the viron writeup.
    Interesting stuff.
    Tongkat has serm properties...
    Boron increases vit d
    Free t
    Dht.

    Cool stuff.
    What is the eurycomanone % in Viron?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tin gorilla View Post
    What is the eurycomanone % in Viron?
    We havnt test specifically for this compound.
    There are...other beneficial compounds in the tongkat as well.
    My personal fav is 9-hydroxycanthin-6-one

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21569213

    When I first tested the extract we used I noticed effects consistent with the above study.
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    Sounds like a great product. Can't wait to try it. Would be a good natural t booster to combine with my androgel.
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    On another note,would using a serm whilst getting test externally via androgel pose any problems?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sketch2000 View Post
    On another note,would using a serm whilst getting test externally via androgel pose any problems?
    Why would you do this?
    Unless your taking clomid to prevent gyno there is no point.

    Clomid is WAY overprescribed and many DRs dont even understand how it works.

    If anything take an AI and transdermal test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mission1 View Post
    When is somebody gonna just say T-Bone can't get any more jealous that his been since the BLR took over AM. What a puss......
    Yup
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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post

    Why would you do this?
    Unless your taking clomid to prevent gyno there is no point.

    Clomid is WAY overprescribed and many DRs dont even understand how it works.

    If anything take an AI and transdermal test.
    I figured if i use tongkat ali and androgel my natty test would get a boost.
    No longer using Clomid. Just androgel.
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    Hopefully my Viron arrives tommorow so I can give it a go ASAP.

    Lol I hate being patient
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sketch2000 View Post
    I figured if i use tongkat ali and androgel my natty test would get a boost.
    No longer using Clomid. Just androgel.
    Its not likely because when your using testosterone it suppresses natural test production.
    Even clomid wont do much as there is still significant suppression happening.
    Look at it like this....if your taking test from the outside you pretty much have no natty test your relying 100% on external input. Stimulating it would be like trying to milk a cow with no udders.

    You might get some..but negligible.
    Tongkat has other properties though and the boron in out product Viron will increase free testosterone and DHT and vitamin D levels.
    So youll get mood and energy from the tonkat and the others from the boron so its still a good deal.
    I just would not expect total testosterone levels to rise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peppers View Post
    Hopefully my Viron arrives tommorow so I can give it a go ASAP.

    Lol I hate being patient
    Just to give you a heads up it should look like this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mission1 View Post
    Just to give you a heads up it should look like this <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10 2396"/>
    Ah Ha Thanks for the heads up lol

    You running it yet?
    Dosages etc ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peppers View Post

    Ah Ha Thanks for the heads up lol

    You running it yet?
    Dosages etc ?
    Not yet, should be one a day, preferably first thing. You could try 2 I guess. Slow and steady beats fast Eddie. Try it and maybe play with dose.
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    Yup, I'm gunna start with 1 in the am.

    Except tommorow, I'm gunna pop one as soon as it comes lol

    We'll see how it goes and I'll post some feedback. Im gunna use it to promote a little free test and estrogen after a run of letro.
    See if it helps speed up recovery from the sides a bit.
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    My recommendation is to start with 1 in the morning because it is very good and if you are at all sensitive to TA, it may keep you up taking it later in the day. Assess and then maybe move up to 2 for a real good time. I take one in the morning (or pre workout) and then another mid afternoon.

    Just keep in mind that you'd be taking 20mg of boron and that may eventually bring on e2 sides. So get Formeron ready or keep it at 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    My recommendation is to start with 1 in the morning because it is very good and if you are at all sensitive to TA, it may keep you up taking it later in the day. Assess and then maybe move up to 2 for a real good time. I take one in the morning (or pre workout) and then another mid afternoon.
    Did you immediately start at 2?

    Just wondering how much of an additional benefit you saw between 1 & 2 caps if not.

    If I react we'll to it, I will definately bump to 2 caps.
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    No, I always start anything at the lowest recommended amount and move up. I am very familiar with TA over the years and know exactly what to expect, so the energy is welcoming and warm feeling. If someone is sensitive to it, then it's better to get used to it because it can feel "heady".
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