Tongkat Ali

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    THis is the truth.
    THere is no standard by which 200:1 is measured. Basically a company can just say it and there is no way to dis prove it aside from chemical testing.
    Ill hold mine up to ANY tongkat on the market with regards to quality, strength and effect.
    THe price is as good as it gets as well.
    Have to give credit where credit is due and Viron is a great tongkat product.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    THis is the truth.
    THere is no standard by which 200:1 is measured. Basically a company can just say it and there is no way to dis prove it aside from chemical testing.
    Ill hold mine up to ANY tongkat on the market with regards to quality, strength and effect.
    THe price is as good as it gets as well.
    1: i agree companies use those standards to sell more and almost no one would ask for lab test/quality

    2. But i have seen one company showing me lab test results and i am more than happy.

    3. ahelu.com is nothing than bull****.
    Serge Kreutz is a big clown and no need to be rocket scientist to find out he is a big scam
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  3. i would use viron but what scares me is the boron, from what I've read boron effects DHT and dht relates to balding... with a bald father and 2 bald grandfathers and a thinning hairline the dh raise scares me

  4. Quote Originally Posted by rowz4broz View Post
    i would use viron but what scares me is the boron, from what I've read boron effects DHT and dht relates to balding... with a bald father and 2 bald grandfathers and a thinning hairline the dh raise scares me
    Well as you maybe know, as we get older, we get more of 5 Alpha Reductase , which convert T to DHT.

    No need to avoid Viron if you want to try it

  5. so correct me if I'm wrong but, what you saying is that Viron (although it raises dht) will not have any impact on hair issues ?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by rowz4broz View Post
    so correct me if I'm wrong but, what you saying is that Viron (although it raises dht) will not have any impact on hair issues ?
    More DHT = bigger risk for baldbess BUT..
    As I know boron has minimal impact on serum DHT compared to increase free test levels etc
    (Statistically Significant, p-value < 0.05)
    "No significant influences on serum DHT noted"

  7. Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post
    5 days a week 2 days off
    If someone want to run 8 weeks then I Would say TA (found in Viron) could be taken everyday, but if the idea is to run months after months (non stop)then 5 days on and 2 days off would be great way to take it

  8. Definitely want to cycle it. 5/2 is what a lot of people do.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Definitely want to cycle it. 5/2 is what a lot of people do.
    I really see no point of cycling it like that if the goal is just 8 weeks usage. But for those who want to take it for hypogonads then a run like 5 days on and 2 days off or even 10 days on and 2-3 days off year around would be good

  10. I have a bottle of tongkat Ali, but haven't taken it due to my current PH cycle. can I take tongkat Ali during pct or during my natty cycle?
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by jgntyce View Post
    I have a bottle of tongkat Ali, but haven't taken it due to my current PH cycle. can I take tongkat Ali during pct or during my natty cycle?
    It can be taken during PCT or as add to natty cycle.

  12. 5 on 2 off has been working best regardless of cycle length.
    BLACK LION RESEARCH Take your own path-

  13. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    5 on 2 off has been working best regardless of cycle length.
    so I can take it during my PH cycle?
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  14. 2 consecutive days off?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by jgntyce View Post
    so I can take it during my PH cycle?
    Yes sir.
    BLACK LION RESEARCH Take your own path-

  16. Quote Originally Posted by ddfox View Post
    2 consecutive days off?
    Yes. You can really tell the difference on the off days and on days.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Yes sir.
    right on! I'll start tomorrow and take off for two days on Saturday and Sunday.
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  18. so just to clarify, this can be taken year round, but only if following the 5 on, 2 off protocol?
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  19. I have been taking TA many times and as i said there is no need to take any days off if the goal is short cycle as 6-8 weeks.
    there is no evidence which can prove 5 days on and 2 days off working better than taking it everyday (8 week as example)
    Why brands suggest those small breaks is to avoid body get used to a ingredient which could lead to less effectiveness. But many times its just pointless IMO

  20. Quote Originally Posted by jgntyce View Post
    so just to clarify, this can be taken year round, but only if following the 5 on, 2 off protocol?
    Correct

    5 days on and 2 days off gives you 40% break from the product.
    Its like you run it for 60 days and taking a break foe 24 days .

    But honestly is it not sure if TA need to be cycled at all. Cycling from long run is to:

    -mininize sides (if it is any)
    -to avoid body getting used to the ingredient

  21. Quote Originally Posted by jgntyce View Post
    so just to clarify, this can be taken year round, but only if following the 5 on, 2 off protocol?
    Yes you can run it year round.
    You dont HAVE to follow a 5/2 protocol. This is just the method which seems to work best for most people.
    BLACK LION RESEARCH Take your own path-

  22. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Yes you can run it year round. You dont HAVE to follow a 5/2 protocol. This is just the method which seems to work best for most people.
    thank you for your help!
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by jgntyce View Post
    thank you for your help!
    Any time bro.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by Danes View Post
    Correct

    5 days on and 2 days off gives you 40% break from the product.
    Its like you run it for 60 days and taking a break foe 24 days .

    But honestly is it not sure if TA need to be cycled at all. Cycling from long run is to:

    -mininize sides (if it is any)
    -to avoid body getting used to the ingredient
    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Yes you can run it year round.
    You dont HAVE to follow a 5/2 protocol. This is just the method which seems to work best for most people.
    Question for both.How do you both run TA and do your run it year round?
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by koi1214 View Post
    Question for both.How do you both run TA and do your run it year round?
    Dosage REALLY depends on consumer.
    600-1200mg would be a great dosage but it can be taken at higher dosage as long you dont get any sides such as feeling restless and insomnia.

    I am thinking about running it year around with 10 days on and 2 days off yes

    I was taking 1200mg the best quality TA you can find and i am going to do the same soon
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