- 12-28-2014, 01:48 PM
- 12-28-2014, 01:49 PM
- 12-28-2014, 01:58 PM
12-28-2014, 02:44 PM
12-28-2014, 02:48 PM
600-1200mg would be a great dosage but it can be taken at higher dosage as long you dont get any sides such as feeling restless and insomnia.
I am thinking about running it year around with 10 days on and 2 days off yes
I was taking 1200mg the best quality TA you can find and i am going to do the same soon
12-28-2014, 03:05 PM
For me Viron I feel it even taking just 1 capsule 2 days on - 1 day off - 2 days on - 2 days off which is same as 4 days on/3 days off the way kisaj takes it.
This way 1 bottle of Viron can last 15 weeks so almost 4 months which comes down to around $10/month which you can't beat with any other OTC on the market that not work so effectively and for probably 3x the price.
Sometimes you feel more effect on days off with Tongkat then on days that you take it so I prefer not taking it every day.
But I also start to feel a bit nipple itching after few days so I like to combine it with AI - now with formestane gone I think many of us will be waiting on brundel to release new AI.
12-28-2014, 03:08 PM
12-28-2014, 03:11 PM
12-28-2014, 03:51 PM
I really dont know if I should laugh or cry on this one!
You believe itching is a sign of elevated estrogen due to elevated T levels?
First of all, even some of strongest wet AAS would not give you itchy nipples after couple of days and secondly there is nothing that could give you itchy nipples found in Viron
Viron contain TA and boron and here is the deal:
Copy from one study:
10g Boron for 6 days was able to reduce estrogen without infuencing total androgen status
-inhibiting estrogen receptors
-13α,21-dihydroeurycomanone with eurycomanone from Eurycoma longifolia and their anti-estrogenic activity using the uterotrophic assay
So my answer is, your itchy nipples are not due to Viron
12-28-2014, 10:29 PM
I tried Viron on many occasions and it didn't do anything for me. I was hoping for the libido increase but I unfortunately got nothing. The only strange thing I got was my allergies got out of control (allergic hay-fever) while on Viron and then when I stop it gauges back down. Not sure wether this correlates
Tried dosing 2x ED, 1x off day and many other dosages but none of them seemed to do much for me. Must be a non responder!
12-28-2014, 11:15 PM
I've heard quite a few people mention nipple sensitivity from viron.
More than one within the first week. This is why I recommended formeron with it.
Soon we will have another blr ai to take up the place of formeron.
12-29-2014, 02:39 AM
Personaly i have heard many nipple itching stories around..some people got it even from ZMA after just couple of days... lol
12-29-2014, 03:52 AM
This could be explain in a way that while somebody take tongkat for few days this cause body to react with increased free testosterone that already create effect that you feel but on off days this might not be enough to cause negative feedback loophole to get triggered.
Or even cause HPTA axis stimulation via tongkat's possible effect to increase LH - that signal your own body to make more testosterone in testicles.
So some people experience just that - off days even more effect (due to rise in total testosterone) that they feel compared to on days effect (rise in free testosterone).
This explanation could be off or even wrong but it's how me and few others reported to feel when taking tongkat.
Just cause some people or even 90% of tongkat users not experience this it doesn't mean it doesn't happen for some users.
12-29-2014, 04:37 AM
Tongkat Ali would NEVER give anyone ichy nipples! And deff not after couple of days of usage. You will not feel that even on anadrol (strongest oral AAS) after couple of days.
like i said, i have heard people getting ichy nipples from ZMA.
Understanding how TA works and how quassinoids (diterpenoids found in TA) such as 13alpha(21)epoxyeurycomanone, eurycomanone , 13alpha,21dihydroeurycomanone and eurycomanol stimulates T production and have SERM properties you will totaly understand its IMPOSSIBlE to get ichy nipples from TA.
I bet your problem is from:
Another supplements and maybe it could be prolactin problems but not caused by TA
12-29-2014, 02:28 PM
Itchy nipples I would not even consider to be gyno symptoms in the first place. That's just the skin on or around the nipples being exposed to some sort of irritant let that be physical irritant or even just a change in the weather.
12-29-2014, 07:44 PM
12-30-2014, 04:22 AM
[SIZE=3]In an article published on the website of the world's foremost scientific journal, Nature, possible side effects of tongkat
ali (Eurycoma longifolia) were listed as "a light headache, a slight fever or even a rash" for a few days. Referred-to
results were "increased sexual desire, enhanced performance and general well-being".
Scientific journal Nature on tongkat ali side effects
As usually is the case with scientific articles, a payment is required to read the full article. However, an abstract can be
read for free on the Nature website here:
12-30-2014, 04:23 AM
01-07-2015, 11:12 AM
01-07-2015, 11:54 AM
Honestly a good test booster will not give you any strength and size directly. It will NEVER elevate your T levels that will directly lead to size and strength.
But indirectly yes.
Lets say it boost your T levels from 10 nmol/L to 14. Thats 40% increase. Sounds good? Ofcourse it is not bad but you will just get some better libido and maybe nore energy (well being).
If you feel right and have good energy , you will preform better in the gym and in the bed (better libido).
It can increase apetitte (eating more of good food will help you put on the size) etc..
So you can get gains indirectly:
01-07-2015, 08:50 PM
01-07-2015, 09:50 PM
01-08-2015, 12:34 AM
to dose it 5 days on and 2 days off and once I got into the 2nd week I would feel the effects really strong the first 3 days
of the 2nd week then it would taper for the next 2 days but when I took the two days off I would really feel it on the off days.
Your body builds a tolerance to TA very fast that's why for me 5 on 2 off works well but again it's gotta be a quality extract of TA.
01-09-2015, 12:38 AM
01-09-2015, 12:50 AM
How does the Tongkat in Viron compare to the standardized EuryGold extract that's in Bioforge? To me Bioforge is the benchmark TA product since it comes with Shilajit and Ashwagandha.
01-09-2015, 12:59 AM
01-09-2015, 04:42 AM
01-09-2015, 04:57 AM
Couple years ago i was running bioforge 2 bottles and it was ok for me. Nothing close to stellar feedback this product received.
Now I just ordered a bottle of Viron. hope it wil deliver, cause feedbacks are good.
Plus the price is good for two month run. Even if I will get only good libido boost , I wil be happy with the product.
01-09-2015, 07:34 AM
01-09-2015, 08:19 AM
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